<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 20 Aug 2009, at 08:42, Jim Brown wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Peter (and Peter<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">J</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>),<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks for the comments. I’d like to clarify the events over the last few weeks for people… And explain why the bump this week in signups (which I think has been from a wider group than CloudMade, but I don’t have access to the lists to know).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>Thanks</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I have been encouraging everyone I know, who is interested in maps, to join OSM and the OSMF. This includes friends, co workers and suppliers… Over the last week or so a number of people have indicated to me that they could not join because of either the lack of a credit card (in a couple cases) or the inability to authorize a Ukrainian card in PayPal (in most cases). I told them they could register with my card if needed and that I’d do the transaction for them. I did the transaction in one go which is why the one day bump.</span></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>The problem about paying for membership from the Ukraine is like to be repeated around the world. Is this not a reason to allowing people to join OSM by way of the 'sweat of the brow' as per various recent discussions? Ettienne gives the official board's position on the matter which is that things are ok as they stand but says "If the community feels this is something that ought to be revisited then we should."[1]</div><div><br></div><div>Do we believe that the issue of no-monetary membership should be addressed before the next AGM? Incidentally, the concept of 'established user' would also be useful when counteracting vandalism without unreasonably restricting editing rights for new users (ie new users can edit features and add new features, but they can't move whole towns or revert other people's changes until they get 'established').</div><div><br></div><div>I have created a 'proposals' section on the Foundation wiki page and also a proposal for such a membership scheme. Please take a look and add any comments to the section.[2]</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I’ve asked the people to then follow up with Mike C to be sure the membership records were correct (which I think most of them have done). And I reached out to Mike as well to clarify what was going on.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">What these people do with their membership is up to them. I have been adament that each time I encourage people to sign up, I make it clear that they are to vote exactly as they see fit. I do not, in any way, direct their vote, nor do I want to know how they vote… What matters to me is having a strong, healthy organization. </span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Sounds good.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I'd like to add that I completely agree with the comments about oversight and questioning being important and that a sign of a healthy community is people caring about things like this – hence my desire for transparency. And I take no offence at the questioning. I’ve tried to do what I can to strengthen OSM and OSMF and I’m happy to tell people about it.</span></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>It's curious that according to wordnik the word 'oversight' in English can mean two completely opposite things (ie 'An unintentional omission or mistake' or 'Watchful care or management; supervision') and the following words can all be used in the same context:-</div><div id="same-context-list" style="">
<ul class="inline-list">
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/supervision">supervision</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/blunder">blunder</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/accountability">accountability</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/scrutiny">scrutiny</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/omission">omission</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/guidance">guidance</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/enforcement">enforcement</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/coordination">coordination</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/negligence">negligence</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/audit">audit</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/mistake">mistake</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/leadership">leadership</a></li>
</ul></div><div><br></div><div>I guess we want more of the leadership and guidance and scrutiny and less of the mistake, blunder and omission ;)</div><div><br></div><div><div>[1] <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2009-August/000136.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2009-August/000136.html</a><br></div><div>[2] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation#Proposals">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation#Proposals</a></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I’d happily discuss this with anyone who wanted to reach out to me.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "></span></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Best Regards,</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Jim</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Jim Brown - CTO CloudMade</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">mobile: +44 (0)7595 367 664</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">email: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jim@cloudmade.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jim@cloudmade.com</a></span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">skype: jamesbrown_uk</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:osmf-talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">osmf-talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:osmf-talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:osmf-talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Peter Miller<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>20 August 2009 07:45<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Peter Batty<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Osmf-talk] EVERYONE: PLEASE VOTE<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 20 Aug 2009, at 06:14, Peter Batty wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">One other brief comment I would make about all this sudden alarm at the prospect of Cloudmade having two board members is just to observe that this has already been the case for the past year.<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">During this time the OSMF board seems to have functioned perfectly well as far as I can see. I am unaware of any inappropriate behavior by the board during this time to favor Cloudmade (and if anybody knows of any then they should raise the specific concerns that they have). I agree with James that it is really inappropriate to suddenly raise such a big fuss 24 hours before the vote closes, when we have already been in the situation that is supposedly such a concern for a year, without any apparent problems.<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I reiterate that it is my opinion that Nick and Steve both have made and will continue to make outstanding contributions as individuals to OSMF, and that their company affiliation is incidental to the work they do in this regard. I support both of them continuing as board members.<o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">In fairness to Frederik the 'alarm' was the sudden joining of enough new members who are employed by CM to theoretically change the outcome of the election in a major way and I think that was justified. Frederik has access to list of members because it was him, I understand, who got the list set up in the first place and until then there was no place for members to discuss issues of concern to them with other members. I find this list very useful. I don't believe that he has revealed any personal information so I don't believe the Data Protection Act is a relevant issue to raise.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I agree that the issue about having more than one director from the same company on the board is a separate one that was been discussed in the past month on the list with a general view that disclosure was important but that a codified limit was not practical or desirable. There is a live proposal that we should limit board members from a single company to 40% but it is not an 'alarming' issue that needs to be raised again at this late hour.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I appreciate Steve's comment that CM, Nick and him are in 'a very difficult position and don't always make the right choices'. The OSMF is a very young organisation that is having to find its feet very fast and is doing so by bumping into issues along the way and resolving them in a typical messy human way. What is good is that it is making huge progress.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Personally I think we will continue to need people to being watching for issues from the outside and 'helping' the organisation grow up nice and strong and healthy and that is exactly what seems to be happening and something I support.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On this particular issue I do strongly advocate a system where membership of the foundation can be earned by the 'sweat of the brow' (ie sustained contribution to OSM over a period of time) rather than only with cash. I believe this would dramatically increase the number of members (some of whom might actually vote) and remove the current bias towards the west and towards those with spare cash. I raised the question on the foundation list last month [1] and there was a useful discussion about it but the view of a board member was that it was not an issue that was getting attention. Possibly in light of the above it should do. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">For the record, I renewed my lapsed membership last month and an additional member of ITO's staff joined recently and will, I understand, be voting. As a company policy I have provided no guidance to our staff on whether to join, whether to vote or who to vote for. I have however put work into the wiki and on the lists over the past month to ensure that the relevant information about candidates is available to all members.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">My personal view is that we have an excellent selection of candidates to choose from and that any combination of 7 of them would make a great board.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Regards,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Peter<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">[1]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2009-August/000131.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2009-August/000131.html</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br clear="all"><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Peter Batty - President, Spatial Networking<br>W: +1 303 339 0957 M: +1 720 346 3954<br>Blog:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://geothought.blogspot.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://geothought.blogspot.com</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>osmf-talk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk</a><o:p></o:p></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>