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Humour has a good way of stimulating serious thought and
discussion!<br><br>
Stefano,<br><br>
Thank you for raising this. We talked this over at last night's License
General Meeting and we feel we need a better resource for such questions
and will work on that. Meanwhile, here is a summary.<br><br>
- Printing OSM-derived maps on merchandise<br><br>
This is straight-forward:<br><br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ" eudora="autourl">
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ</a> - see "I would like
to use OpenStreetMap maps. How should I credit you?"<br><br>
- Printing OpenStreetMap logo/trademark.<br><br>
The current logo itself (the green map and magnifying glass) is kindly
licensed by its creator under very liberal terms. However the
Foundation now has, or nearly has, two trademarks. The first is the
logo without name (UK only, but gives us some leverage outside).
The second is the word "OpenStreetMap". This should very
shortly by an EU-registered trademark. It has been published in the
trademarks journal, which is the final step before formal
recognition.<br><br>
The trademarks MUST be used to promotion of the OpenStreetMap project.
Since, I assume, the 3 mapping parties are OpenStreetMap mapping parties,
then this vital condition is complied with. You have also brought
the attention of the Foundation to what you want to do. That is very
useful though not yet a firm condition. The Foundation is not raising any
objection. So, as far as I am aware, that is all you need to do. You do
not need to be printing attributions, disclaimers, permissions
etc.<br><br>
I hope I've given a proper summary as this is not something I focus on,
other comments welcome.<br><br>
For the Foundation, the most important thing is to make sure that the
trademarks to not fall into unrestricted public usage, as we (as the
Foundation and as the project) lose control of them. We also need
to consider how they can/should be used in conjunction with commercial
projects. Should that be allowed? Under what terms? Should the Foundation
require explicitly permission or just issue guidelines?<br><br>
The License Working Group believes that the Ubuntu Trademark Policy [1]
provides a good place to start and welcomes any comments.<br><br>
Mike<br>
(back in serious mode)<br><br>
[1]
<a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy" eudora="autourl">
http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy<br><br>
</a>At 02:15 PM 27/08/2009, Martinelli_Filas wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Dear all,<br><br>
I am negotiating a sponsorship from a large global charity club to
support 3 mapping parties in archeological areas next to Rome.<br>
(I am organising also a speech for Simone to promote OSM to the
members of this club) <br><br>
I would like them to pay for living expenses maybe some travell and
possibly accomodation but for sure , hats, t-shirts and some GPS stuff to
be donated to participants, all this stuff I must order and get
customized with the right logos, disclaimers and so on and so
forth.;<br><br>
Can somebody point me to the right/updated logo/documentation to
use and to the possible dependencies and constraints to avoid
mistakes.<br><br>
thanks<br>
Kind regards<br>
Stefano.<br><br>
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Il giorno 26/ago/09, alle ore 21:52, Mike Collinson ha scritto:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">The Foundation's License Working
Group has indeed considered this to be a grave matter and felt obligated
to consider it at our Tuesday meeting.<br><br>
May I therefore comment [*] on the various cases.<br><br>
[1] The Toronto cake.<br><br>
Clearly, following the correct terms of a the CC BY-SA license, all
contributors to OpenStreetMap should have been attributed. We
therefore suggest a simple solution. All 151,815 names should be
printed on rice-paper using a legible font. Copies should then be sent to
everyone who had a slice of the cake. They should they consume the rice
paper in the presence of a notary or other legal professional. Since this
is what is known as a legal "cure", we recommend addition of an
unpleasant flavour, preferably tasting something between liquorice and
gasoline.<br><br>
[2] The London cupcakes.<br><br>
On investigation, we find that the author of these geocomestibles is a
member of the License Working Group. We congratulate him on his
artistry and pronounce ourselves infallible.<br><br>
[3] Mr. Gregory Marler's own cake<br><br>
Certainly a creative, productive, and unexpected use but sadly it cannot
be distributed under CC BY-SA. The pub symbols were made from a
sugar-based commercial representation of bottles of a certain extremely
well-known soft drinks manufacturer, who we suspect would be less than
happy to see their product placed under share-alike
provisions. The good news is that this would not be a problem
under ODbL 1.0 . The cake itself would be a Produced Work, allowing the
use of mixed data sources with incompatible licenses. <br><br>
Mike<br><br>
* The members of the License Working Group are not culinary professionals
and cannot offer definitive guidance. Please consult a chef. All opinion
offered here is on an "AS IS" basis and may not be fit for
purpose. We are not responsible for lack of taste or food
poisoning.<br><br>
Oh yes, and :-) :-)<br><br>
<br>
At 02:48 PM 24/08/2009, Mike Collinson wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Dear Gregory,<br><br>
This is a candieldy serious set of allegations, something which, if true,
is not something our community should stomache. I am certainly not
prepared to swallow it and will also raise the matter at the License
Working Group meeting on Tuesday.<br><br>
However, I would ask you to consider that spatio-comestibles is very much
a pioneering area and that we at OpenStreetMap are a sweet way ahead of
Google and the Ordnance Survey in the UK. Further, Richard's cake did
remain fully on-line during this weekend's server maintenance period and
we should be grateful for that. Perhaps all we need to do is add a
properly attributed marzipan-layer to the slippy map?<br><br>
And remember, only with OpenStreetMap can folks have their map and eat it
too.<br><br>
Best Regards,<br>
Michael Collinson<br><br>
:-)Â :-)<br><br>
At 01:33 24/08/2009,
<a href="mailto:sotm@livingwithdragons.com">sotm@livingwithdragons.com</a>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I would like to inform the
Foundation of two acts that need to be <br>
legally followed to protect the OpenStreetMap interests.<br><br>
1. In Toronto a cake was produced using OpenStreetMap data that need not
<br>
have the correct attribution on it. See <br>
<a href="http://weait.com/content/openstreetmap-5th-birthday-party-toronto">
http://weait.com/content/openstreetmap-5th-birthday-party-toronto</a><br>
<br>
2. In London, a number of cupcakes were produced with the OSM trademark
<br>
logo on top of the icing. This use of the registered trademark did not
<br>
have prior authorisation from OSMF.<br><br>
It is important that the foundation uses it's resources to take firm
<br>
legal action, and most importantly make it widely known that my OSM <br>
birthday cake was far superior to them, perhaps only bettered by the
<br>
Japanese cake makers. Does anybody know where SteveC will be uploading
<br>
his video interviews (including my winning speech)?<br><br>
Gregory Marler<br>
<a href="http://www.livingwithdragons.com/">
http://www.livingwithdragons.com</a></blockquote><br>
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