<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br></div><div><br>On Dec 5, 2009, at 20:03, 80n <<a href="mailto:80n80n@gmail.com">80n80n@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:55 PM, SteveC <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve@asklater.com"><a href="mailto:steve@asklater.com">steve@asklater.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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On Dec 5, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:<br>
> In fact, I'm pretty sure that if the LWG had made an effort to reach out to the critics and get their feedback<br>
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</div>On planet Frederik where water runs uphill and cats chase dogs, there weren't three rounds of input on the license, the LWG minutes weren't open, 80n wasn't on the board and didn't see all this stuff, Matt didn't diligently respond to every concern...<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Steve<br>You will no doubt remember that the LWG didn't even record any minutes until I pushed for them do so.<br><br>You will no doubt also remember that after the LWG's proposals were presented to the board on 9th July 2009, I provided extensive feedback. There are 21 points alone noted in this document: <a href="http://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_0hnnw6tc9"><a href="http://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_0hnnw6tc9">http://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_0hnnw6tc9</a></a><br>
<br>I don't think you realised that OSM is much more than just a few people who hang out on the OSM talk mailing lists. There are many thousands of contributors who need to be involved in the process. It takes real hard work to reach out to them. The license change is not a simple message and so requires extraordinary effort and outreach to communicate it to the community.<br>
<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Let's say you're right and the LWG is wrong, against the odds. What would you like to happen now?</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>To think that because the LWG had feedback from one person and that this is sufficient is perhaps a little bit fanciful.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't know what this means.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
But on planet Earth, these things did indeed happen.<br>
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Yours &c.<br>
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Steve</blockquote></div><br>
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