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of deleted nodes end roads, which have been replaced by new ones. Unfortunately
are the original nodes and roads not visisble as the original maker has not
agreed to the the ODBL and the RedactionBot has done its work. Even without the
work of mr_Israel the nodes and roads would have disappeared.</FONT></DIV>
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that this becomes a delicate legal discussion: Is deleting a set of data and
replacing it with a new set (likely using the old data) conflicting with the
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does not mean I support copying, (I know how it feels, as my first OSM steps
back in 2007 have mysteriously dissappeared), but before serious accusations of
shameless copying are uttered, a solid investigation is required.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=osm@floris.nu
href="mailto:osm@floris.nu">Floris Looijesteijn</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 09, 2012 3:43 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=g.gremmen@cetest.nl
href="mailto:g.gremmen@cetest.nl">ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
Gremmen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org
href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</A> ; <A
title=talk@openstreetmap.org
href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Osmf-talk] [OSM-talk] shameless copying: still going
on !!</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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a bad thing.
<DIV>In case people want to have a look, it seems Gert means this for
example:</DIV>
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<DIV>Greetings,</DIV>
<DIV>Floris Looijesteijn<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM, ce-test, qualified
testing bv - Gert Gremmen <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:g.gremmen@cetest.nl"
target=_blank>g.gremmen@cetest.nl</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Now the map cleaning phase has been
completed (according to the message of the day in
JOSM)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Per today 8/9/2012 I still find most of my
contributions that were contributed under<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>the CC-BY-SA license in the new map,
mostly simply cutted & pasted<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>This time I focused on my contributions in
Israel.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Literally all of the unique features I
added to the Israel map<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>have been copied by a so-called Mr_Israel,
including<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>the home of my family, as the only
building in a circle of a few kilometers around<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>their home. It’s impossible that Mr_Israel
choose this home by hazard<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>and made the effort of re-survey
himself.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Same for the red walk I actually walked
and surveyed myself with a GPS,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>it still in an unmodified version in the
map, just the author changed.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Same for the numerous fish farms I drew,
and apparently are the only one<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>in Israel according to Mr_Israel called
Fish_farming in English.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>The rest of the hundreds of fish farms in
only marked is only water.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Same for the entire kibbutz Geva , all
details I draw are still there, <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>including voluntary mistakes in
introduced. No changes but the name of the author.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Mr_israel even for the sake of making less
efforts copied the Places name Geva<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>and left the original
source.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>On none of the modified data a new source
such as BING or GPS survey<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>is mentioned, so I keep it on shameless
copying !!!!!<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>If this is how the OSM community respects
copyrights, then I have<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>to fear for the rest of the map.
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>I declare the new map still to
be CC-BY-SA and not ODBL<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Gert Gremmen<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US>cetest<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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