<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>> <span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Why do you consider it a "problem"?</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; ">Yes, there's probably many reasons why people register. Maybe they are fans, and just want to keep track of what OSM is doing in their area, or are only interested if an event happens. OSM.org doesn't serve them well. If someone registers, it at least signals their interest.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; ">Even putting aside people who register but never edit, we lose way too many people who are active mappers, or have potential. Check out the research I linked to back in this thread.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; ">I've been part of lots of events that introduce people to OSM. Of course, I don't expect everyone to become an active mapper. But there are plenty of people who would be, if it was easier for them to
stay involved. </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; ">Our community and communication is too hard for a non-geek to penetrate. More of the social side could flow through osm.org.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; ">It's a problem because 20k is not enough people to map the entire world. Perhaps if they were all very active, and dispersed throughout the entire
world. But we're heavily clustered in a few places.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; ">It's only an expected trend we have low expectations, and don't make simple efforts to change it. None of the solutions to this are particularly complicated.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "> </div><div>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; ">
<div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:19 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Osmf-talk] Question to board members<br> </font> </div> <br>
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<div class="yiv1698332809moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.08.2012 16:10, schrieb Mikel
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<div><span>> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Could you
set out what those problems are, and what has been tried to
date?</span></div>
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font-size:12pt;">I'll start with one, which is retention of new
users. While registrations just recently climbed above 700K,
active users are roughly 18K/month. Active users have maybe
doubled in the past 3 years, while registered users has
increased nearly fivefold. We've known about this problem
for years, and should have taken steps to increase
retention, while we've seen a significant decrease in
retention rate.</span></div>
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Why do you consider it a "problem"? <br>
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I'm not saying that it wouldn't be a good thing to have more active
experienced mappers, but aren't the numbers simply showing the
results of our net becoming larger (and by-catch increasing over
proportionally) due to increase in popularity? In other words: a to
be expected trend. Compared to Wikipedia (which is probably the only
benchmark available) we are light years ahead and we are still
seeing growth.<br>
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Simon <br>
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