<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span style="background-color: transparent; "><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="background-color: transparent; ">> </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 12pt; ">I've re-read Frederik's post and I don't see poison. </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 12pt; ">You quoted above,</span></div>> a sentence potentially critical of the board, if you believe that the<br>> board took an unwarranted decision in the face of strong technical<br>> counter arguments.<div> </div><div>My main point is that no one is doing this for glory, and saying so is a gross misrepresentation of the Board's decision
making.</div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">You can disagree with the decision, but assuming such egotistical motives is poisonous, and the kind of rhetoric I hope we can stop.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">> If Frederik's criticism of the board at<br>> the time is poisonous, is your criticism of Frederik also? I don't<br>> think so. :-)<br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="font-size: 12pt;
"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">He's not criticizing the Board, but promoting an image of an "Evil Board", when no such thing exists. At least til now ;)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; ">> I don't think<br>> that previous boards have been non-functional, I do think that<br>> striving for improvement is worthwhile.<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color:
transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; ">I didn't say the Board was non-functional, but that the OSMF as a whole has been disfunctional. It's worth being honest about it, and fixing it.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Richard Weait <richard@weait.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mikel Maron <mikel_maron@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" <osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, September 8, 2012 4:50 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Osmf-talk] a tired narrative<br> </font> </div> <br>
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Mikel Maron <<a ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Frederik recently wrote<br>> (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2012-August/001725.html)<br>><br>> "We are not doing the license change for the glory of the OSMF board."<br>><br>> I've been offline since this frankly poisonous post, and I still want to<br>> respond.<br><br>I've re-read Frederik's post and I don't see poison. I see concern<br>and I see the reason for concern specified clearly. You quoted above,<br>a sentence potentially critical of the board, if you believe that the<br>board took an unwarranted decision in the face of strong technical<br>counter arguments.<br><br>I have no doubt that the board has been the target of unwarranted,<br>poisonous critique. There was a lot of bile flung at the LWG by the<br>"pseudonym
psyndicate", as well. I don't see a similarity between<br>those, and Frederik's post. If Frederik's criticism of the board at<br>the time is poisonous, is your criticism of Frederik also? I don't<br>think so. :-)<br><br>> Before I unpack this, I'll acknowledge that it's a moot point.<br>> ODbL planet has been accounced,<br>> http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/09/06/your-first-odbl-planet/<br><br>I don't think that the announcement made at SotM is the same<br>announcement about which Frederik expressed his concern. Hard to say,<br>of course, because many of those involved have been busy at SotM. I'm<br>sure we'll learn more of the details in time.<br><br>You'll notice in other threads that there is some confusion in the<br>press and community as to the exact meaning of the announcement made<br>at SotM.<br><br>> And a new Board has been announced for 2012-2013.<br><br>Yes. Mikel, you've served on every
board the OSMF has had, if I<br>remember correctly. And you even ran again last year when you had<br>another year in your mandate[1]. Thank you for your service to the<br>OSMF and community.<br><br>> But what I hope for most of all is a functional OSMF, and that's why I'm<br>> addressing this head on.<br><br>I also look forward to an improved OSMF and OSMF board. I don't think<br>that previous boards have been non-functional, I do think that<br>striving for improvement is worthwhile.<br><br>Best regards,<br>Richard<br><br>[1] There was a question about how many serving board members had to<br>vacate seats before their three year terms expired, in order to meet<br>the expectation that 1/3 of the board would be up for election each<br>year.<br><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>