A poll sounds simple, but what question would you pose? Would people be able to agree on what the result actually meant?<div><br></div><div>One might just say that the members recently elected members to the Board, each of whom made their views about the purpose of the OSMF quite clear. A prominent laissez faire person topped the elections this time around. </div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM12/Election_to_Board#Candidates_and_results">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM12/Election_to_Board#Candidates_and_results</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>There has never been - much to be disappointment - a strong majority of OSMF members calling for a more proactive approach, nor for a more formal democratic structure to avoid endless discussions that go in circles. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Given the preference for a do-ocracy, I'd suggest you get on and start your consortium.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Tom</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 October 2012 12:55, Mikel Maron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div><span>Yes, another model is to federate. And communities are not only local ... they can be thematic like HOT (which has worked well representing OSM in the humanitarian communities).</span></div>
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<span>But we still need to set up a structure. Local Chapters were discussed forever. There were a lot of legal questions, and a lot of opinions about how the OSMF and chapters relate. In the end, the actual relationship between OSMF and other local chapter organizations got increasingly
minimalized, nothing much binding, just a recognition. So still a lot of work to do to define this. </span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif">
<span><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"><span>But if that's the way the OSMF _seriously_ starts to go, great. Then I'd advocate starting something like an OSM Trade Consortium (or something similarly dull sounding :)</span></div>
<div> </div><div><div class="im">* Mikel Maron * <a href="tel:%2B14152835207" value="+14152835207" target="_blank">+14152835207</a> @mikel s:mikelmaron<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Daniel Kastl <<a href="mailto:daniel@georepublic.de" target="_blank">daniel@georepublic.de</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Mikel Maron <<a href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 1, 2012 1:46 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Osmf-talk] What is the OSMF?<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div><div><div class="h5">HI Mikel,<div><br></div><div>I think there are quite a few people who prefer the "minimal" of OSMF. Well, I have no strong opinion about this.</div><div><br></div><div>But in my opinion OSMF (or what you propose) doesn't need to be so much "centralized" organization. Because often centralized means based in North-America or Europe with often the same people involved. That's not only the case for OSM but for many open source projects as well. And there are reason for this, for example the language barrier. </div>
<div><br></div><div>There are "global" cases like Apple, but most promotion is done locally: local communities in France, Germany, Japan, Philippines, etc. do a lot or promotion and are quite successful, I think. So better let local chapters act on behalf of OSMF and help them if they need support.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Daniel</div></div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div>On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Mikel Maron <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"><div>Thinking about this more broadly, t<span style="font-size:12pt">here are clearly two main positions about the role of OSMF, the laissez-faire and the proactive. There's definitely a more sensible reality in between, but the discussion of anything in particular polarizes the outlooks. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size:12pt">I'd really like to know what we really think. But we have no way of understanding our own views on this systematically. No way
to survey membership, or an agreed strategy. It would be great to have these processes.</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:12pt;background-color:transparent">
<span style="font-size:12pt"><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent"><span style="font-size:12pt">But perhaps we should just accept the OSMF is what it is. Minimal organization to legally and technically hold OSM resources. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size:12pt">And start another organization, with a real mandate to promote OSM. Maybe one among businesses, another governments. Just a thought.</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:12pt;background-color:transparent">
<span style="font-size:12pt"><br></span></div><div>* Mikel Maron * <a rel="nofollow">+14152835207</a> @mikel s:mikelmaron<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Frederik Ramm <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Mark Iliffe <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:mark@markiliffe.co.uk" target="_blank">mark@markiliffe.co.uk</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 1, 2012 11:49 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Osmf-talk] a receding opportunity<br> </font> </div> <br>
Hi,<br><br>On 10/01/12 11:38, Mark Iliffe wrote:<br>> It would all be too easy for an inquisitive journalist to start to look<br>> deeper - "Maybe Apple was good, the data is at fault...". We can't talk<br>
> for the other data users, but we can speak for ourselves, not doing so<br>> just seems the wrong thing to do. In that we could also help prevent<br>> minor licence violations in future.<br><br>I didn't want to write a posting that said we should remain silent about anything. If it came across like that then it was a mistake.<br>
<br>I was arguing against any special or even proactive treatment of Apple by ourselves. Mikel sounded as if he wanted to invest time in investigative work: What does Apple do exactly, how could we perhaps help them, they may not talk to us but if we try hard enough maybe we can pry open some kind of channel to them.<br>
<br>Whereas my position is: We're here, we're listening, but if you don't wanna talk then you
don't have to. That's why I mentioned the license; unlike with commercial geodata, where I'm pretty sure someone like Apple will talk to those they buy data from before using it, Apple is within their rights to take our data and not talk to us if they so please.<br>
<br>Bye<br>Frederik<br><br>-- Frederik Ramm ## eMail <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a> ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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