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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/01/2013 23:08, Ivo Stankov wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I am fairly new to OSM (since August
        2012) and very new as an OSMF member (this is virtually the
        first thread I am seeing since enthusiastically joining a month
        ago).<br>
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        None of the names in this list, apart from Steve Coast, say
        anything to me and everything I know about Steve comes from the
        contents of his Wikipedia entry. What I want to say with this
        is, I know none of you personally and have no knowledge of prior
        politics and feuds amongst you.<br>
        <br>
        As a wide-eyed newcomer, all I can say is, guys, this is just
        too much drama from all sides! "I gave you everything!", "I'm
        resigning!", "Bullies!" etc. Seriously, do you even comprehend
        how much creative energy is lost for such a petty ego fight?!
        Quite disappointing.<br>
        <br>
        From following the discussion, my personal opinion is, that the
        whole thing boils down to two questions:<br>
        1. Is @openstreetmap an ultra official channel of the OSMF,
        dealing only with official announcements?  <br>
            From reading the tweets, I think the answer is no, some are
        playful, some are not that relevant to OSMF, etc. And this is
        the way it should be.<br>
        2. Can the community trust Steve Coast, the founder of OSM and
        definitely the most well known face of OSM from the point of
        view of the broad public, to be sensible enough to write tweets
        from @openstreetmap that are beneficial for OSM and not partisan
        or potentially questionable?<br>
             I do not know him well, but somehow I think this should be
        a given. <br>
        <br>
        If you ask me, this Grouptweet solution, where the author of the
        tweet is even visible to the outside users, is quite a good
        idea.<br>
        <br>
        - Ivo<br>
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        On 15.01.2013 23:28, Mikel Maron wrote:<br>
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          <div><span>Yea, for real.</span></div>
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              the problem?<br>
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          <div>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br>
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                      <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
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                      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                      Steve Coast <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
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                      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                      Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:01 PM<br>
                      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                      Re: [Osmf-talk] Losing faith<br>
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                  Guys,<br>
                  <br>
                  Please quite the whole mudslinging here. It's not
                  really helping the discussion. <br>
                  <br>
                  Will the person without sin please throw the first
                  stone.<br>
                  <br>
                  Lets try and keep the discussion in a constructive
                  tone and clean of personal attacks ….<br>
                  <br>
                  Henk<br>
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                  Op 15 jan. 2013, om 22:48 heeft Steve Coast <<a
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                  het volgende geschreven:<br>
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                  > On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Frederik Ramm <<a
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                  wrote:<br>
                  >> 4. I'm very sad to see Richard throw in the
                  towel; I felt the same when Emilie resigned in 2011,
                  and I think it is mostly due to both being at the
                  receiving end of what I would call bullying. I don't
                  yet know how to achieve that but it is pretty clear to
                  me that OSMF won't go anywhere if we don't manage to
                  get rid of that problem.<br>
                  > <br>
                  > I've been in OSMF phone calls with you shouting
                  obscenities at people, Fred. Maybe you could start
                  there.<br>
                  > <br>
                  > I think it's inappropriate to make these
                  allusions when you know that there are mails on board@
                  nobody is seeing and you were not there in prior
                  meetings when Emilie resigned, either.<br>
                  > <br>
                  > Steve<br>
                  > _______________________________________________<br>
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