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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I quite agree with this, I am equally
new to OSMF and I find it quite crazy that this thread is going
on. I can see why there is a need to have a degree of
accountability on these things, but things need to be done in
proportion. One of the first thing I was taught about management
(yes I have been fortunate enough to have done many management
courses...... they were not all a total waist of time.... I am
sure there was one that was only mostly a waist of time....
anyway), it was good leadership is knowing when to keep your nose
out. The argument was if someone is doing a good job and
directing themselves in the right way then just leave them alone
to continue and allow them to feel they are the master of their
own destiny. So if Steve was doing a good job then why not leave
him be (I say if, because I very much dislike social media like
twitter and facebook, so I have no opinion on what "good" use of
twitter is)? I see the need for accountability, but as so many
others have pointed out is group tweet not a solution to this?<br>
<br>
Well thats my 2 cents worth.<br>
<br>
Scott<br>
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On 15/01/13 23:08, Ivo Stankov wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I am fairly new to OSM (since August
2012) and very new as an OSMF member (this is virtually the
first thread I am seeing since enthusiastically joining a month
ago).<br>
<br>
None of the names in this list, apart from Steve Coast, say
anything to me and everything I know about Steve comes from the
contents of his Wikipedia entry. What I want to say with this
is, I know none of you personally and have no knowledge of prior
politics and feuds amongst you.<br>
<br>
As a wide-eyed newcomer, all I can say is, guys, this is just
too much drama from all sides! "I gave you everything!", "I'm
resigning!", "Bullies!" etc. Seriously, do you even comprehend
how much creative energy is lost for such a petty ego fight?!
Quite disappointing.<br>
<br>
From following the discussion, my personal opinion is, that the
whole thing boils down to two questions:<br>
1. Is @openstreetmap an ultra official channel of the OSMF,
dealing only with official announcements? <br>
From reading the tweets, I think the answer is no, some are
playful, some are not that relevant to OSMF, etc. And this is
the way it should be.<br>
2. Can the community trust Steve Coast, the founder of OSM and
definitely the most well known face of OSM from the point of
view of the broad public, to be sensible enough to write tweets
from @openstreetmap that are beneficial for OSM and not partisan
or potentially questionable?<br>
I do not know him well, but somehow I think this should be
a given. <br>
<br>
If you ask me, this Grouptweet solution, where the author of the
tweet is even visible to the outside users, is quite a good
idea.<br>
<br>
- Ivo<br>
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On 15.01.2013 23:28, Mikel Maron wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Yea, for real.</span></div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family:
'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Doesn't <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://grouptweet.com/">http://grouptweet.com/</a> solve
the problem?<br>
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<div>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:toffehoff@gmail.com">"toffehoff@gmail.com"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:toffehoff@gmail.com"><toffehoff@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
Steve Coast <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:steve@asklater.com"><steve@asklater.com></a>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
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class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:01 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Osmf-talk] Losing faith<br>
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Guys,<br>
<br>
Please quite the whole mudslinging here. It's not
really helping the discussion. <br>
<br>
Will the person without sin please throw the first
stone.<br>
<br>
Lets try and keep the discussion in a constructive
tone and clean of personal attacks ….<br>
<br>
Henk<br>
<br>
<br>
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Op 15 jan. 2013, om 22:48 heeft Steve Coast <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
ymailto="mailto:steve@asklater.com"
href="mailto:steve@asklater.com">steve@asklater.com</a>>
het volgende geschreven:<br>
<br>
> <br>
> On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Frederik Ramm <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
ymailto="mailto:frederik@remote.org"
href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> 4. I'm very sad to see Richard throw in the
towel; I felt the same when Emilie resigned in 2011,
and I think it is mostly due to both being at the
receiving end of what I would call bullying. I don't
yet know how to achieve that but it is pretty clear to
me that OSMF won't go anywhere if we don't manage to
get rid of that problem.<br>
> <br>
> I've been in OSMF phone calls with you shouting
obscenities at people, Fred. Maybe you could start
there.<br>
> <br>
> I think it's inappropriate to make these
allusions when you know that there are mails on board@
nobody is seeing and you were not there in prior
meetings when Emilie resigned, either.<br>
> <br>
> Steve<br>
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