<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Another +1 from my side.<br><br>Am 16.01.2013 um 00:08 schrieb Ivo Stankov <<a href="mailto:ivo@e-stankov.com">ivo@e-stankov.com</a>>:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I am fairly new to OSM (since August
2012) and very new as an OSMF member (this is virtually the first
thread I am seeing since enthusiastically joining a month ago).<br>
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None of the names in this list, apart from Steve Coast, say
anything to me and everything I know about Steve comes from the
contents of his Wikipedia entry. What I want to say with this is,
I know none of you personally and have no knowledge of prior
politics and feuds amongst you.<br>
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As a wide-eyed newcomer, all I can say is, guys, this is just too
much drama from all sides! "I gave you everything!", "I'm
resigning!", "Bullies!" etc. Seriously, do you even comprehend how
much creative energy is lost for such a petty ego fight?! Quite
disappointing.<br>
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From following the discussion, my personal opinion is, that the
whole thing boils down to two questions:<br>
1. Is @openstreetmap an ultra official channel of the OSMF,
dealing only with official announcements? <br>
From reading the tweets, I think the answer is no, some are
playful, some are not that relevant to OSMF, etc. And this is the
way it should be.<br>
2. Can the community trust Steve Coast, the founder of OSM and
definitely the most well known face of OSM from the point of view
of the broad public, to be sensible enough to write tweets from
@openstreetmap that are beneficial for OSM and not partisan or
potentially questionable?<br>
I do not know him well, but somehow I think this should be a
given. <br>
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If you ask me, this Grouptweet solution, where the author of the
tweet is even visible to the outside users, is quite a good idea.<br>
<br>
- Ivo<br>
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On 15.01.2013 23:28, Mikel Maron wrote:<br>
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transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Doesn't <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://grouptweet.com/">http://grouptweet.com/</a> solve
the problem?<br>
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<div>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:toffehoff@gmail.com">"toffehoff@gmail.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:toffehoff@gmail.com"><toffehoff@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
Steve Coast <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steve@asklater.com"><steve@asklater.com></a> <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:01 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Osmf-talk] Losing faith<br>
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Guys,<br>
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Please quite the whole mudslinging here. It's not really
helping the discussion. <br>
<br>
Will the person without sin please throw the first
stone.<br>
<br>
Lets try and keep the discussion in a constructive tone
and clean of personal attacks ….<br>
<br>
Henk<br>
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Op 15 jan. 2013, om 22:48 heeft Steve Coast <<a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:steve@asklater.com" href="mailto:steve@asklater.com">steve@asklater.com</a>>
het volgende geschreven:<br>
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> On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Frederik Ramm <<a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:frederik@remote.org" href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> 4. I'm very sad to see Richard throw in the
towel; I felt the same when Emilie resigned in 2011, and
I think it is mostly due to both being at the receiving
end of what I would call bullying. I don't yet know how
to achieve that but it is pretty clear to me that OSMF
won't go anywhere if we don't manage to get rid of that
problem.<br>
> <br>
> I've been in OSMF phone calls with you shouting
obscenities at people, Fred. Maybe you could start
there.<br>
> <br>
> I think it's inappropriate to make these allusions
when you know that there are mails on board@ nobody is
seeing and you were not there in prior meetings when
Emilie resigned, either.<br>
> <br>
> Steve<br>
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