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John, I don't think we are discounting yours or anybodies else's
experience, but it has to be put in the the right context.<br>
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As Alex has already pointed out, the devices we are talking about
are smaller than you average model airplane, actually substantial
parts of the tech -is- from model airplanes. And there is a lot of
experience with the technology, in no way is it new. OSM has had
access to imagery captured with drones since 2009 from
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.r-pod.ch/">http://www.r-pod.ch/</a> (produced with swinglets). As you can see
r-pod, just as other companies using such technology, doesn't have
any qualms about flying over inhabited areas, in fact they are paid
to do exactly that, very often by the municipalities themselves.
What is "new" is, mainly due to the increasing number of FPV*
enthusiasts, that the technology has become so cheap that it is at
the cost level of a moderately expensive hobby. <br>
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Naturally the technology has to be used responsibly, and the
relevant regulations particularly in air space with other traffic
need to be adhered to, but nobody was suggesting anything else.<br>
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Simon<br>
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* just so there is no confusion, while FPV is driving the cost of
the technology down, it is not what we are discussing here.
swinglet, eBee et al follow preplanned and programmed flight plans
mainly by using GPS and other sensors.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 05.12.2013 01:05, schrieb John
Crowley:<br>
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to be around high-end UAVs costing well into the hundreds of
thousands of USD. Autopilots fail. I have watched birds drop
comms and fly until they ran out of juice. I have watched very
expensive UAVs crash in the landing process--with a very skilled
military-trained pilot dealing with a wind burst and having
inadequate altitude to manage a recovery. <br>
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Having sailed a bit in a city, I know a bit about blow downs and
weird wind shifts when a long city street empties a strong
breeze onto the water. My colleagues in urban search and rescue
have far worse horror stories from flying UAVs around tall
unstable buildings.<br>
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All of these worries are in the professional community, where a
healthy respect for the capabilities of unmanned systems is
matched by a healthy respect for their shortcomings. I am not
hearing the same balanced view in this community yet. <br>
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Please discover it by learning from what has worked and failed,
rather than repeating idealistic mistakes. This is a complicated
systems problem, not just an engineering challenge.<br>
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> Well reality is somewhere between your scenario and
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>> well, a 1kg drone falling freely from 100m
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