<div dir="ltr">+1 to your post, Mark.<div><br></div><div>Emilie Laffray</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 September 2014 15:06, Mark Iliffe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark@markiliffe.co.uk" target="_blank">mark@markiliffe.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Sigh. Hence the earlier point of not naming and shaming, it's this precise wording and confrontational attitude that stops people from wanting to contribute. The point of this is that we need to change how we communicate and not single people out/call them out. Placing people in positions of needing to prove sexism in the court of public/forum opinion is wrong, both for the accused and the accuser.</div><div><br></div><div>I've seen sexism at conferences and didn't say anything, but that isn't good enough for myself or the wider community. This is something experienced by others within our community and something we should all seek to eradicate, regardless of having experienced it or not. </div><div><br>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 26 Sep 2014, at 23:19, Steve Doerr <<a href="mailto:doerr.stephen@gmail.com" target="_blank">doerr.stephen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
On 26/09/2014 15:54, John Crowley wrote:<br>
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<div>In my years working in communities, I keep seeing the same
pattern. Someone speaks up about misogyny or other aggression in
general, then someone demands specific evidence, silencing the
conversation. It is often not intended, but those seeking data
should realize that they need to start by listening, not
challenging.<br>
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No they don't. The people making accusations need to provide
evidence. Otherwise it's defamation. If there's no evidence, they
made it up - simple as that.<br>
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Steve<br>
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