<div dir="ltr">Okay so,<div><br></div><div>I don't want to make this too specific: sexism is a big, culture-wide problem. Linking a mailing list post, or an irc conversation, or recalling an extremely sexist remark made in private - all of which I can recall off the top of my head - would turn it into a personal witch hunt. It's also on me, because I should moderate or call out inappropriate language on mailing lists, but like others I can't read mailing lists and also stay sane.</div><div><br></div><div>Dear men: the big mistake we could make and need to avoid is to look at recent mailing list postings, not see anyone blatantly bashing women, and assume there's not a problem. Sexism happens in quiet ways publicly and loud ways privately - off-list posts, quick exchanges on IRC, sexual harassment at every tech conference ever. Outing those encounters can be socially impossible, or it can even be a legal matter. This is one place where [citation needed] is incredibly inappropriate.</div><div><br></div><div>We need common-sense structure: code of conducts, moderation of insensitive language, diversity as a priority in leadership and membership, stronger rules of what's appropriate behavior. If a community member is the target of harassment, what do we do - hope the mailing list solves it? No: to graduate from the wild west into a place where everyone can live, we need to try harder.</div><div><br></div><div>These are basic, obvious, non-controversial things other groups have already done, and we need to catch up.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Tim Waters <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chippy2005@gmail.com" target="_blank">chippy2005@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">There is not much that I can say except that "I am a dude and an ally" <a href="https://twitter.com/KathleenLD/status/515464880535920640" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/KathleenLD/status/515464880535920640</a><div><br></div><div>I think that most members realise that this is a sensitive issue and many may be afraid of contributing to the discussion because by doing so they might hurt someone. I know people who prefer to remain silent on these issues because it's the safer course of action.<br>I'd like it if we could have a safe place to discuss these things without falling into the same old traps. I don't know how best that could happen.</div><div><br></div><div>I do know that there is a diversity mailing list and it's very low volume - so perhaps I can encourage people to help increase the level of discussions at that place.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Tim</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 26 September 2014 14:42, Ben Abelshausen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ben.abelshausen@gmail.com" target="_blank">ben.abelshausen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra">I must confess that I never understood the problem but I think my eyes have opened recently. I'm reposting the article Kate posted:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><a href="http://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/4291/3381" target="_blank">http://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/4291/3381</a></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Cannot recommend this read enough. Come to think about it, I may even have (unintentionally) contributed to the problem on one or two occasions, my apologies for that.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Also considering myself an ally but not sure at all how we can improve...</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Cheers,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Ben</div></div></div>
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