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<div data-externalstyle="false" dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif';font-size:12pt;"><div>Fred</div><div><br></div><div>I think you have a lot to contribute and have misinterpreted what I set out. If you reread it with a cooler head and still see problems please come back and I'll be happy to explain. The out-of-context personal comments are a shame.</div><div><br></div><div>Why don't we keep building OSM together in to something great? It's much more fun that way.<br></div><div data-signatureblock="true"><div><br></div><div>Steve</div><div><br></div></div><div style="padding-top: 5px; border-top-color: rgb(229, 229, 229); border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid;"><div><font face=" 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif'" style='line-height: 15pt; letter-spacing: 0.02em; font-family: "Calibri", "Segoe UI", "Meiryo", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft JhengHei UI", "Malgun Gothic", "sans-serif"; font-size: 12pt;'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_parent">Frederik Ramm</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_parent">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a></font></div></div><div><br></div><div dir=""><div id="readingPaneBodyContent">Hi,<br><br>On 10/23/2014 04:57 PM, steve@asklater.com wrote:<br>> If elected I'll try my best to achieve what I outlined previously<br>> here; <br>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-October/071135.html<br><br>Frankly,<br>> <br>your eminent goal sounds a lot like:<br><br>"Let's collect one lat/lon pair for every address in the world."<br><br>That's a lot less than OSM, and something that can probably be achieved<br>better with different technologies, different people, different concepts.<br><br>It's not even a geographic database with objects in topological<br>relations, it's essentially a giant CSV file that you're after.<br><br>An all for what? That we can be the world leader in supplying giant CSV<br>files with lat/lons pinned against addresses, so that a random iPhone<br>app can tell you how far away the nearest branch of a random chain store is.<br><br>Frankly I can't think of a more boring use case than addressing. Yes we<br>do addressing *too* but telling people that addressing should be made a<br>*priority* would mean that you've very thoroughly forgotten what<br>motivates this vibrant, grassroots community.<br><br>You might belittle it as "having fun with swings and slides", but your<br>alternative is becoming a project of corporate drones who do big<br>businesses' bidding.<br><br>Mappers are first an foremost motivated by the use that they themselves<br>see in OSM. For the human mapper, geocoding comes long, long after<br>drawing good maps and having good bicycle routing and helping disaster<br>victims.<br><br>OpenStreetMap is not a business, and doesn't have to cater for business<br>interests. Like many before you, you're making the "we can only survive<br>if we're adopted by businesses big time, and we can only be adopted big<br>time if we do <X>" argument. For some, <X> is "use different license",<br>for you it is "prioritize addressing".<br><br>I don't believe you're right, and I think you are doing the project a<br>disservice if you try to reduce it to addressing (with everything else<br>being "having fun with swings and slides").<br><br>> I left a few years ago because I thought I was part of the problem<br>> and was holding things back. It doesn't look like that was entirely<br>> the case. Since approximately then I've got married and had kids and<br>> see things in a different light.<br><br>Are you saying that you see things in a different light and you have<br>ideas about how to serve with your peers on the board of directors in a<br>constructive way, or are you saying that you now think you've done<br>everything right and you want to continue where you left off?<br><br>> I'll also give transparent reports of what's happening at every board meeting.<br><br>Does that mean you'd like to apply for the role of "secretary", writing<br>and publishing the minutes, or does that mean you're in favour of<br>letting all board members report on board meetings equally?<br><br>I remember you, more than once, insisting that certain matters on the<br>board were discussed exclusively on the telephone and not by email or<br>even minuted, because otherwise they would be "discoverable" in<br>hypothetical future legal proceedings. I also, more than once, heard you<br>speak in riddles where you would only hint at someone having approached<br>you about something, without telling us exactly who it was and exactly<br>what they said. In fact I attributed some of the anti-transparency<br>antics that I encountered with some longer serving board members to<br>having learnt these habits from you.<br><br>Do you see these things in a different light now too, or if not, would<br>you care to describe in more detail where the limits of transparency are<br>for you?<br><br>Bye<br>Frederik<br><br>-- <br>Frederik Ramm ## eMail frederik@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>osmf-talk mailing list<br>osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk<br></div></div></div>
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