<div dir="ltr">Thanks for your review Michael.<br><br>I'm still in somewhat of a shock by some of the words written down in the past weeks. I can't figure out why people deeply in love with OSM start personal attacks on one another. Showing lack of trust in one another, fearing coups etcetera.<br><br>To me, this problem is more than having a lack of people interested in doing things for OSMF. It might have to do with respect. Today a newspaper in my country had a profile of a man working for disabled people. I personally recognized a statement of him:<br>“You have to really empathize with others and turn your ego off. Because if what the other says, touches your ego, you want to respond, admit or deny. Then you really do not listen. Your ego prevents contact with others. It starts with yourself profoundly accepting that the other is always right.”<br><br>I still hope that the people attacking one another will be able to find a common ground of respect in their love for OSM.<br><br>Johan<font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-17 15:21 GMT+01:00 Michael Collinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@ayeltd.biz" target="_blank">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I am using Jonathan's response below as
a springboard for a new thread. He happens to coincide exactly
with my personal thinking and the timing of his comment on "a
clearly stated argument" was perfect, since I was in the middle of
trying to write one. The only thing I would add on the EGM thing
is that there does remain an issue of unpredictability in the
exact length of each individual's term. If we consider that to be
important, it is easily resolvable thanks to Simon's push to
generally clean-up the Articles of Association. We can take some
time to think about the exact wording, and we can have it in place
at or by next year's annual election. End of my comments as an
individual OSMF member.<br>
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But to basics. I am the Management Team chair. The Management Team
is well thought out, thanks in major part to Matt Amos [1]. But,
well, in my English county of Yorkshire, we have a saying, "About
as much use as a chocolate teapot". That is an exaggeration, but
we have had great trouble in successfully implementing it.
In early October I began analyzing why. The final end result
is a review of the OSMF, our successes and our problems:<br>
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<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ewmjc/OpenStreetMap_Foundation/2014_Review" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ewmjc/OpenStreetMap_Foundation/2014_Review</a><br>
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The board have been presented with the document for their meeting
on Thursday 20th November. At that meeting I shall tender my
courtesy resignation and we'll see what happens.<br>
<br>
The document itself is l-o-n-g. So if you want to know what I
think is wrong, skip to the "General Operations" section. <br>
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I am still working on improving it based on some early feedback
and the simple fact is that when I collate things, I start to see
things I did not before. I have also managed to upset two of our
hard-working and reliable working group members.<br>
<br>
This is a review, not a plan and not a vision. My core conclusion
is that what IS wrong is quite simple: Too few people doing too
many things.<br>
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If you feel there is some merit in my conclusions, then I think
the board can go on to make a general operational plan with your
help. To stimulate that process, I have added my current
conclusions under "What Next".<br>
<br>
I naturally welcome comments, will read everything and incorporate
useful stuff. But I will not likely respond, I have taken to much
time out of my proffessional life already! I also work in fits and
starts on OSMF matters.<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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[1] <a href="http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Management_Team/Statutes" target="_blank">http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Management_Team/Statutes</a><br>
<a href="http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Management_Team" target="_blank">http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Management_Team</a><br>
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On 14/11/2014 14:34, Jonathan Harley wrote:<br>
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Yes, of course anyone who takes the trouble to pay up and join the
OSMF cares about the OSMF. That's about 600 of us, then.
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<br>
Personally, I haven't contributed to the acrimonious debate about
board size and term limits partly because of the tone of the
debate, but mostly because I have absolutely no confidence that
tinkering with those details is going to fix the problems with
OSMF.
<br>
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I've yet to even hear a clearly stated argument about what IS
wrong with OSMF, apart from Steve's suggestion that the board are
"thinking too small", which seems very plausible. I've heard no
convincing argument that reducing the board size or introducing
term limits will help, and obviously they would harm continuity,
with the potential to be disastrous if we reach the situation
where nobody well qualified is actually allowed to stand. So as it
stands, I'm likely to vote against any resolution at the EGM; I
prefer the status quo, where I get to vote for the best candidates
available without limitation.
<br>
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Those are my reasons for not contributing; I can only guess that
other people's might very well be similar. People who prefer the
status quo often keep quiet.
<br>
<br>
Jon.
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“It's possible that 90% of the OSMF membership don't care at all
about the OSMF” Possible? no I doubt that very much. If one
decides to be a member of the OSMF I believe one is likely to
have a very caring interest, otherwise why bother?
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Rather than a member of the choir from this outlook I’d say you
were acting like the preacher.
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Cheers
<br>
<br>
Andy
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