<div dir="ltr">+1<div><br></div><div>You have put into words my sentiments.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Dominic Davis-Foster MRI<blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px"><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Winner of SWR Science Fair 2011</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px"><div>Part of the team that won the Buckinghamshire</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px"><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px"><div>AimHigher Science Challenge 2010/11</div></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 November 2015 at 18:41, Frederik Ramm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
I must admit (as a non-Hottie) that the recent messages here were a<br>
bit too detailed for me to digest. I am pretty sure HOT have their fair<br>
number of skeletons in the cupboard, as will any organisation of a given<br>
age and size, and I can't be bothered to retrace years of discussions in<br>
the organisation. I also know that wherever people do something<br>
together, there will be discontent, and the fact that there is<br>
discontent doesn't necessarily mean that something has been done wrong.<br>
<br>
(I do sense a rather authoritarian attempt at getting rid of critical<br>
voices. Sometimes it is not the presence of discontent, but how it is<br>
handled that tells you something about an organisation. But then again<br>
some critical voices can be so unreasonable that kicking them out is the<br>
only feasible option. I simply lack the HOT insight to judge.)<br>
<br>
This is not a list to debate the shortcomings of HOT (unless they were<br>
so grave that we must stop them from using our name and database). This<br>
is a list about the OSM Foundation.<br>
<br>
What I can clearly see and what is relevant for us on this list:<br>
<br>
* Some people are very unhappy with how HOT is being run;<br>
* some people with a HOT background are standing for OSMF board.<br>
<br>
So I would like to know from those who are unhappy with how HOT is being<br>
run: What are dangers do you see for OSMF? In your eyes, what are the<br>
strategic steps that the HOT organisation has taken and that you feel<br>
OSMF should not take because it would be detrimental?<br>
<br>
I'm trying to get away from "do not vote for X because they are with<br>
HOT" here. Skeletons in the closet or not, it is always interesting to<br>
learn from others how they solved certain issues in another<br>
organisation. It'd like to hear from those who are dissatisfied with HOT<br>
(or disenfranchised?) - what should OSMF *not* learn from HOT?<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Frederik<br>
<br>
--<br>
Frederik Ramm ## eMail <a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</a> ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"<br>
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