<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yiv2852499345"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321043"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321042"><div id="yiv2852499345"><div id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_308062"><div id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_308061" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" dir="ltr"><div id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280023"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321205"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321281" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif">Christoph,</font></span></div><div id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280023"><span><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280023"><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif">> <span id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280228">This discussion is probably...</span></font></div><div></div><div id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280198"><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></div><div id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280198" dir="ltr"><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321326">As a Board Member, I've found this discussion helpful. Good job of exploring the topics, gathering perspectives and clarifying what we really mean. I still think a lot of us are talking past each other, and that is frustrating but natural ... and we're getting closer. So all good.</font></div><div id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280198"><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif"> </font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280198"><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321325">> ... <span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321178">concrete positive suggestions what to do instead. On the other hand at</span><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321179"> </span>least for me it feels like the board is ...</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280198"><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280198"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321285" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif">Seems like overall, you're saying that the process and intention of this discussion is unclear. The whole thread started off with a request for feedback, and I'm sure this will have an impact on the ideas. There's been a good amount of clarifying things which are not clear in the draft, and I'm sure that will help with updates.</font><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280198"><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280198"><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321631">If there are better ways for OSMF to work on things beyond mailing lists, I'd sure love to discuss that in good faith another time and any other process ideas.</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280198"><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280198"><font size="3" face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif">-Mikel</font></div><div class="yiv2852499345signature" id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280197" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2852499345signature" id="yiv2852499345yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_280197" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div> <div class="yiv2852499345qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321123" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2852499345yqt5224086320" id="yiv2852499345yqt01334" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv2852499345yqt3500997917" id="yiv2852499345yqt20256" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321127"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321126"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321125"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321124"><font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321139"> On Friday, April 29, 2016 7:47 AM, Christoph Hormann <chris_hormann@gmx.de> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321128"> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv2852499345y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461780364624_321129">On Friday 29 April 2016, Frederik Ramm wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Is it therefore careless to share such a draft early? Would you<br clear="none">> rather have us flesh out everything in detail and share when we have<br clear="none">> lined up a lawyer to contract and we're ready to take a vote?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On the contrary - IMO this should have been discussed publicly from the <br clear="none">beginning.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">This discussion is probably somewhat frustrating for the board members <br clear="none">since there have been a lot of critical remarks but relatively little <br clear="none">concrete positive suggestions what to do instead. On the other hand at <br clear="none">least for me it feels like the board is trying hard to defend the <br clear="none">current draft in its current form and does not really participate in an <br clear="none">open discussion on how to design a better corporate membership program.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Or in other words: the question is if this is a discussion on developing <br clear="none">a new corporate membership program or if this serves primarily for <br clear="none">explaining the program and your motivation to design it this way to the <br clear="none">membership. I assume most of the members who spoke up here assumed the <br clear="none">former although in principle the latter is of course an equaly valid <br clear="none">approach.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Christoph Hormann<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.imagico.de/">http://www.imagico.de/</a><div class="yiv2852499345yqt5050799896" id="yiv2852499345yqtfd64413"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">osmf-talk mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>