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    <p>Simon, et al, mon cheris, dostlarım, meine Freunde, мои друзья,<br>
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      The bias of over-participation by any particular group can
      potentially be controlled since the survey specifically asks if
      participants are employed by an organization that performs
      organized mapping (as an employee of the U.S. Department of State,
      I had to answer that question, "yes", since the Humanitarian
      Information Unit organizes map-a-thons, even if I do not engage in
      it myself).  The statistics generated by the survey can be
      normalized to reflect the population as a whole if the DWG has a
      sense of what proportion of the OSM mapping population consists of
      organized mappers and paid mappers.<br>
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      As for the bias of including only English speakers, as a U.S.
      diplomat who has functioned in the multilingual world of diplomacy
      for 30+ years, the easiest workaround for us when we survey our
      local workforce is to sit a non-English speaker in front of the
      computer with a fluent speaker of English plus the non-English
      speaker's language nearby and have at it.  It works pretty well
      for our opinion surveys ("Is Ambassador Mustard a) bad b) rotten
      c) horrible d) dysfunctional e) terrible" :-), semantic concerns
      notwithstanding.  I suspect a fair number of the mappers out there
      who don't know English fluently have a friend who does, and could
      take the survey with a little locally available help. <br>
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      cheers,<br>
      apm-wa</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/8/2017 2:28 PM, Simon Poole
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      <p>The survey is going to be skewed in many ways for example by
        higher participation from people associated with organisations
        with a vested interest in paid/organized editing. I don't really
        think anybody was even remotely assuming that this was going to
        be representative (doing a representative survey would face many
        many challenges in any case), but more simply a rough gathering
        of sentiment on the issue. Given that, I think we can live with
        the slight advantage we've given to English speakers. Just as
        with the suggestion to have the questions vetted by the
        community in advance, there is just so much bureaucracy thatВ 
        you can apply to such a simple action without it becoming too
        heavyweight to ever happen. <br>
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      <p>Simon<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 08.10.2017 um 10:28 schrieb
        Manfred A. Reiter:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Hi Allan, *,
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            <div>One of my biggest reservations is the fact that the
              survey is being conducted in English only.</div>
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            <div>From my work for weeklyOSM I know for sure that many
              contributors from French-speaking cultural circles or
              speakers from Latin America will certainly be overwhelmed
              by the survey in English.В The same applies to many of the
              German-speaking contributors I have spoken to.</div>
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            <div>In this way, the result will certainly not be
              representative.</div>
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            <div>cheersВ </div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-08 9:37 GMT+02:00 Allan
                  Mustard <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                          Friends,</font></p>
                      <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I
                          just took the survey, and have to say that my
                          graduate degree in agricultural economics,
                          which included a course in survey sampling and
                          statistical methods, informed me that there
                          was not a lot of bias in the survey, with all
                          due respect to my OSM volunteer colleagues who
                          have raised objections to it.В  IMHO the
                          survey addresses a very real problem of
                          correcting problems inserted by paid organized
                          mappers (with which I have had to contend more
                          than once in mapping the distant, largely
                          unheard of country of Turkmenistan), who are
                          thousands of miles away, and base their edits
                          on five-year-old Bing imagery coupled with
                          gross assumptions of what the ground truth
                          would reveal.</font></p>
                      <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Could
                          the survey have been designed better?В  Yes,
                          probably it could have been, had we engaged
                          some social scientists with Ph.D.s in
                          statistical survey techniques, but for the OSM
                          Foundation's purposes, this survey will likely
                          prove adequate to gauge the opinions of the
                          mapping community.В  I'm glad I had the
                          opportunity to voice my opinion about
                          something that irritates me--having to fix
                          errors inserted by people who aren't within a
                          thousand miles of here, but think they know
                          what they are doing.</font></p>
                      <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Warm
                          regards to all, best regards from sunny
                          Ashgabat--and be sure to look up my Mapillary
                          images from this weekend of a trip to see the
                          longest dinosaur tracks in the world, once my
                          smartphone finishes uploading them!</font></p>
                      <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">cheers,<br>
                          apm-wa (Allan Mustard)<br>
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                        class="gmail-m_-8220345370152609831moz-cite-prefix">On
                        10/6/2017 1:01 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:<br>
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On 20.09.2017 06:50, Paul Norman wrote:
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                        <pre>We plan to close the survey on Sunday night (at 23:59:59 UTC), that's 2
days and 16 hours from now. We'll then take some time to analyze the
results and share them with you, then draft a policy informed by the
results and the discussion here and elsewhere, and present that for
further discussion.

Bye
Frederik</pre>
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