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<p>Simon, et al, mon cheris, dostlarım, meine Freunde, мои друзья,<br>
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The bias of over-participation by any particular group can
potentially be controlled since the survey specifically asks if
participants are employed by an organization that performs
organized mapping (as an employee of the U.S. Department of State,
I had to answer that question, "yes", since the Humanitarian
Information Unit organizes map-a-thons, even if I do not engage in
it myself). The statistics generated by the survey can be
normalized to reflect the population as a whole if the DWG has a
sense of what proportion of the OSM mapping population consists of
organized mappers and paid mappers.<br>
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As for the bias of including only English speakers, as a U.S.
diplomat who has functioned in the multilingual world of diplomacy
for 30+ years, the easiest workaround for us when we survey our
local workforce is to sit a non-English speaker in front of the
computer with a fluent speaker of English plus the non-English
speaker's language nearby and have at it. It works pretty well
for our opinion surveys ("Is Ambassador Mustard a) bad b) rotten
c) horrible d) dysfunctional e) terrible" :-), semantic concerns
notwithstanding. I suspect a fair number of the mappers out there
who don't know English fluently have a friend who does, and could
take the survey with a little locally available help. <br>
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cheers,<br>
apm-wa</p>
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<p>The survey is going to be skewed in many ways for example by
higher participation from people associated with organisations
with a vested interest in paid/organized editing. I don't really
think anybody was even remotely assuming that this was going to
be representative (doing a representative survey would face many
many challenges in any case), but more simply a rough gathering
of sentiment on the issue. Given that, I think we can live with
the slight advantage we've given to English speakers. Just as
with the suggestion to have the questions vetted by the
community in advance, there is just so much bureaucracy thatВ
you can apply to such a simple action without it becoming too
heavyweight to ever happen. <br>
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<div>One of my biggest reservations is the fact that the
survey is being conducted in English only.</div>
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<div>From my work for weeklyOSM I know for sure that many
contributors from French-speaking cultural circles or
speakers from Latin America will certainly be overwhelmed
by the survey in English.В The same applies to many of the
German-speaking contributors I have spoken to.</div>
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<div>In this way, the result will certainly not be
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Dear
Friends,</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I
just took the survey, and have to say that my
graduate degree in agricultural economics,
which included a course in survey sampling and
statistical methods, informed me that there
was not a lot of bias in the survey, with all
due respect to my OSM volunteer colleagues who
have raised objections to it.В IMHO the
survey addresses a very real problem of
correcting problems inserted by paid organized
mappers (with which I have had to contend more
than once in mapping the distant, largely
unheard of country of Turkmenistan), who are
thousands of miles away, and base their edits
on five-year-old Bing imagery coupled with
gross assumptions of what the ground truth
would reveal.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Could
the survey have been designed better?В Yes,
probably it could have been, had we engaged
some social scientists with Ph.D.s in
statistical survey techniques, but for the OSM
Foundation's purposes, this survey will likely
prove adequate to gauge the opinions of the
mapping community.В I'm glad I had the
opportunity to voice my opinion about
something that irritates me--having to fix
errors inserted by people who aren't within a
thousand miles of here, but think they know
what they are doing.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Warm
regards to all, best regards from sunny
Ashgabat--and be sure to look up my Mapillary
images from this weekend of a trip to see the
longest dinosaur tracks in the world, once my
smartphone finishes uploading them!</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">cheers,<br>
apm-wa (Allan Mustard)<br>
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<pre>We plan to close the survey on Sunday night (at 23:59:59 UTC), that's 2
days and 16 hours from now. We'll then take some time to analyze the
results and share them with you, then draft a policy informed by the
results and the discussion here and elsewhere, and present that for
further discussion.
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