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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18.10.2017 um 12:19 schrieb Joseph
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<span style="font-size:12.8px">Which, sadly, I think, explains a
lot of what you've highlighted: It was never going to be
representative. Simon was wrong, however: There was no higher
participation from people associated with paid mapping (15% of
respondents), or people doing organised mapping (26%). This
vast majority of participants in this survey did not partake
in organised mapping: It's their unrepresentative sentiment we
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Nope. The continental imbalance in the relative proportions between
paid/organised contributors in the US vs Europe is very likely do to
exactly organised mappers being more motivated to respond, or do you
really believe that every third mapper in the US is employed by one
of the relevant companies? Extrapolated to our active contributor
base in the States that would be multiple 1000's of employees.<br>
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SImon<br>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">The state of the "slight
advantage we've given to English speakers" has been
massively underestimated: The advantage has been
overwhelming. Not only this, we've given a huge advantage to
English speaking </span><i style="font-size:12.8px">mappers,
</i><span style="font-size:12.8px">although </span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">the results of the survey largely
deals with </span><i style="font-size:12.8px">map data</i><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> in other parts of the world. So
although we now know that English speaking mappers want
(when asked to participate in a survey designed to bolster
the views of the DWG), we have learnt nothing about what
local map <i>users</i> want. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">My conclusion was that, when
asking a group of mappers, largely uninvolved in paid or
organised mapping, "63% said that a policy should apply to
both". I'm not sure how useful this is.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">The whole thing, I think,
is completely unrepresentative of the global OSM
community,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Best, Joseph</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 18 October 2017 at 10:06, Heather
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<div>Dear Colleagues, <br>
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<div>I recommend that we have a subsequent and more
inclusive plan for any policy discussion. It is very
disturbing to see such a low contribution from Asia and
Africa, where the majority of the world lives. If that
is in line with OSMF membership, then this is also
something that needs work. Maybe the conversation show
expand to reach more people via other channels like
Weekly OSM, Facebook (where the majority of Asia
communicates) etc. and more languages<br>
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<div>Thank you, <br>
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<div>Heather <br>
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<h3><span class="m_7018866624507226046gmail-mw-headline"
id="m_7018866624507226046gmail-Regional_distribution">Regional
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<p>We also did an analysis by continent. We had 417
results from Europe (which for our purpose includes
Russia), 187 from North America, <b>35 from Asia</b>,
15 from Australia and Oceania, 13 from South America,
and <b>1 from Africa</b>. (We used the submission IP
number to determine the continent where people hadn't
given their country.) We're publishing the results for
all continents except Africa (where the one
contributor is too easy to de-anonymise), however
South America and Australia/Oceania have too few
submissions to draw any conclusions there. Overall,
Europe is more in favour of regulation than North
America and Asia (11% in Europe say no policy is
needed, while 31% and 30% say so in North America and
Asia, respectively). This is, however, likely to be a
reflection of where the paid/organised mapping
organisations are. Only 6% of respondents in Europe
are affiliated with an organisation that does paid
mapping, but 32% in North America and 31% in Asia are;
only 16% of respondents in Europe are affiliated with
an organisation that does other organised mapping, but
47% in North America and 37% in Asia are.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 2:25
AM, Frederik Ramm <span dir="ltr"><<a
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the results are in!<br>
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Bye<br>
Frederik<br>
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