<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Dear colleagues, <br><br></div>Would you be able to provide a reference list of policy documents from the open source projects and others that influenced this draft DWG? Were there consultations with other open communities on how to encourage collaboration while building processes?</div><div><br></div><div>Happy to join the policy editing sprint to support a strategic vision of OSM. However, perhaps there are a few pieces of work here - policy and, as Dale mentioned, guidances/training materials. <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>Thank you, <br><br></div>Heather<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Heather Leson<br><a href="mailto:heatherleson@gmail.com" target="_blank">heatherleson@gmail.com</a><br>Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson <br>Blog: <a href="http://textontechs.com" target="_blank">textontechs.com</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Frederik Ramm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ian,<br>
<br>
you write that "the DWG is trying to clamp down on" something. I<br>
don't think that is accurate description. In consequence you write you<br>
find the policy "backwards". Perhaps if you allow yourself some more<br>
time to digest what we're suggesting, you can come to a more balanced<br>
assessment. My dictionary also says that the wording "rife with claims<br>
of ...", that you applied to discussions on the talk list, has a<br>
slightly condescending undertone. Is that true, and if so, was that<br>
intended?<br>
<span class=""><br>
> If I decide to<br>
> have a few people over to a local community center to collect and add<br>
> data to OSM, am I required to generate a wiki page every time?<br>
<br>
</span>It depends. If you're simply providing food and drink and a venue, and<br>
"have a few people over" as you say, then no; even if that includes<br>
newcomers who in the course of the meeting will learn form other, more<br>
experienced mappers. You are not providing the "direction" that this<br>
policy talks about.<br>
<br>
If, on the other hand, you hang posters around town announcing "Ian's<br>
Great Maptoberfest" with the explicit purpose of mapping beer tents in<br>
Munich ("all beer lovers welcome, no experience necessary"), and you<br>
plan to provide instructions for your guests on how exactly to map beer<br>
tents, then you are providing "direction" and you will be expected to<br>
make a Wiki page for the activity. This will perhaps take you 15<br>
minutes, on top of all the hours you have already spent producing and<br>
hanging all the posters, arranging a venue, writing a blogpost and<br>
preparing the training material on beer tents. It will be a little extra<br>
work for you, but not much; and it will allow others in OSM to see what<br>
is going on, and they know that they can talk to you if oddly shaped<br>
beer tents should start popping up around the country.<br>
<br>
Is this a distinction that you did not understand after first reading of<br>
the policy (and that therefore should be made clearer), or have you<br>
understood the distinction but are objecting to it?<br>
<span class=""><br>
> How will the DWG enforce this policy?<br>
<br>
</span>Currently, most of what the DWG enforces is based on receiving<br>
complaints. It is likely that someone violating this new proposed policy<br>
without anyone complaining would go totally unnoticed. The main goal of<br>
the policy, though, would be to reduce any causes for complaints!<br>
<span class=""><br>
> How will the DWG distinguish between<br>
> directed and undirected mapping activity?<br>
<br>
</span>Like everywhere in life there will be grey areas. As a rule of thumb, a<br>
"directed" activity is where the mapper doesn't expect to take<br>
responsibility for what they do because they are "just following<br>
instructions".<br>
<span class=""><br>
> Shouldn't these sort of recommendations and restrictions on behavior be reworded into a<br>
> "mapper code of conduct"?<br>
<br>
</span>The idea of having a mapper code of conduct (for want of a better term)<br>
has been around for a while; I think it would be a good thing to have<br>
and I would certainly welcome work on that. The proposed policy could<br>
then - like other existing written rules, e.g. on imports and automated<br>
edits - be referenced from there. This, however, is a separate endeavour<br>
the prospect of which should not keep us from implementing a policy on<br>
Directed Editing.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
Bye<br>
Frederik<br>
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