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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.11.2017 um 14:26 schrieb Pete
      Masters:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I agree with you, Simon. My viewpoint isn't opposed
        to Rob's!
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        <div>Anyone should be able to publicly challenge and question
          candidates - as equally we are able to challenge the premise
          of those same questions. If Sev truly believes that our
          leaders should have one or ten or a hundred thousand
          changesets to their name, that's fine. I don't have to agree
          and I can respond as such.</div>
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    Actually this seems to be the time honoured deflection tactic that
    we've seem so often on this list: focus on the form (undoubtedly
    some of the adjectives used could have been chosen better), minor
    details and then start mincing words around that to move focus from
    the actual issue at hand,<br>
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    It should, IMHO, be left to the reader to gauge what is relevant to
    the discussion, and have confidence that they will ignore any
    irrelevant and superficial information. I don't think you'll find
    many that consider the editor used to contribute to OSM a
    particularly important piece of information.<br>
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        <div>My point is that the language Sev uses is disrespectful,
          personal and hurtful. That's not ok in my book.... Firstly,
          for Heather - no-one should have to read that. And secondly,
          because this hostility <i>discourages</i> debate and divides
          community.</div>
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    I don't think we can expect everybody to put their criticism in a
    sandwich
    (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dmh.mo.gov/dd/docs/tieredsupportsummarythesandwichmethod.pdf">https://dmh.mo.gov/dd/docs/tieredsupportsummarythesandwichmethod.pdf</a>)
    just to make it more palatable to the recipient, and, as has already
    been said, its an election, the nature of the thing is that it is
    about personal qualifications.<br>
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    Simon<br>
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        <div>Cheers,</div>
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        <div>Pete</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 1:25 PM, joost
          schouppe <span dir="ltr"><<a
              href="mailto:joost.schouppe@gmail.com" target="_blank"
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                <div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">2017-11-23 13:42
                    GMT+01:00 Rob Nickerson <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        href="mailto:rob.j.nickerson@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rob.j.nickerson@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                        <div>It's a difficult one because if you stand
                          for one of these two vacancies then you open
                          your self up to challenge - essential for a
                          functioning democracy. On the other hand
                          challenging via the written medium is hard to
                          get right. 
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                          <div dir="auto">Thinking about TV interviews
                            of politicians I can imagine presenters
                            putting these same challenges to the
                            candidate. I.e. they seem like reasonable
                            challenges to have.</div>
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                  <div>Well, I haven't seen TV interviews where a
                    journalist says something like "you seem to know
                    nothing about health care, isn't it shameless to
                    offer to be minister of health". (but maybe I don't
                    watch TV enough?). </div>
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                  <div>This really sets the tone:</div>
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                    <div>> <span
                        style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Seeking
                        to join the board of the OSM Foundation with
                        such a high OSM profile is really shameless</span></div>
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                  <div>I am all for challenging candidates, but shaming
                    them goes a bit further than that. I'd hate to think
                    that the best candidates for this election are not
                    participating because they prefer not to be publicly
                    shamed in this way. Sure, you have the right to say
                    things like this here, but I doubt very strongly
                    that this kind of tone is good for the project. Just
                    stating the facts as you see them, might have led to
                    a discussion about facts. Now we're just going to
                    discuss wether or not this kind of talk is OK or
                    not.</div>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">Joost Schouppe</div>
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                                      moz-do-not-send="true">OpenStreetMap</a> | <a
href="https://twitter.com/joostjakob" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">Twitter</a> | <a
href="https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603"
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href="http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/"
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