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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.11.2017 um 14:26 schrieb Pete
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<div dir="ltr">I agree with you, Simon. My viewpoint isn't opposed
to Rob's!
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<div>Anyone should be able to publicly challenge and question
candidates - as equally we are able to challenge the premise
of those same questions. If Sev truly believes that our
leaders should have one or ten or a hundred thousand
changesets to their name, that's fine. I don't have to agree
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Actually this seems to be the time honoured deflection tactic that
we've seem so often on this list: focus on the form (undoubtedly
some of the adjectives used could have been chosen better), minor
details and then start mincing words around that to move focus from
the actual issue at hand,<br>
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It should, IMHO, be left to the reader to gauge what is relevant to
the discussion, and have confidence that they will ignore any
irrelevant and superficial information. I don't think you'll find
many that consider the editor used to contribute to OSM a
particularly important piece of information.<br>
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<div>My point is that the language Sev uses is disrespectful,
personal and hurtful. That's not ok in my book.... Firstly,
for Heather - no-one should have to read that. And secondly,
because this hostility <i>discourages</i> debate and divides
community.</div>
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I don't think we can expect everybody to put their criticism in a
sandwich
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dmh.mo.gov/dd/docs/tieredsupportsummarythesandwichmethod.pdf">https://dmh.mo.gov/dd/docs/tieredsupportsummarythesandwichmethod.pdf</a>)
just to make it more palatable to the recipient, and, as has already
been said, its an election, the nature of the thing is that it is
about personal qualifications.<br>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div>Pete</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 1:25 PM, joost
schouppe <span dir="ltr"><<a
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GMT+01:00 Rob Nickerson <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>It's a difficult one because if you stand
for one of these two vacancies then you open
your self up to challenge - essential for a
functioning democracy. On the other hand
challenging via the written medium is hard to
get right.
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<div dir="auto">Thinking about TV interviews
of politicians I can imagine presenters
putting these same challenges to the
candidate. I.e. they seem like reasonable
challenges to have.</div>
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<div>Well, I haven't seen TV interviews where a
journalist says something like "you seem to know
nothing about health care, isn't it shameless to
offer to be minister of health". (but maybe I don't
watch TV enough?). </div>
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<div>This really sets the tone:</div>
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<div>> <span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Seeking
to join the board of the OSM Foundation with
such a high OSM profile is really shameless</span></div>
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<div>I am all for challenging candidates, but shaming
them goes a bit further than that. I'd hate to think
that the best candidates for this election are not
participating because they prefer not to be publicly
shamed in this way. Sure, you have the right to say
things like this here, but I doubt very strongly
that this kind of tone is good for the project. Just
stating the facts as you see them, might have led to
a discussion about facts. Now we're just going to
discuss wether or not this kind of talk is OK or
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