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<p>There are all kinds of issues that would have to be thought
through if you wanted to keep the volunteer aspect of the OSMF
WGs, but I suspect that essentially everything time consuming
would need to then be done by paid staff regardless of how things
are organised.<br>
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<p>Further I don't quite believe that bit with that it is easy to
get, non-trivial, sums for operations. I simply doubt that there
is a big interest in subsidizing M., TeleNav and all of the
smaller players by philanthropic funders (why not HERE, Tomtom and
google then?). So we will likely need to turn to the organisations
using our data which I doubt will be so easy. Essentially there is
one other org, the WMF, that is similar and they killed off their
competition early on, removing the market forces we are subject
to. <br>
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<p>The other issue is that you create a powerful further stake
holder in the project, the employees (see, again, the WMF), which
might have unexpected consequences.</p>
<p>Simon</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 25.11.2017 um 18:47 schrieb Martijn
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<div dir="ltr">Paying people in key positions in OSM could be a
big step forward but is not without its challenges. What
positions are 'key'? How do you evaluate new candidates against
incumbents? Who gets to do this? And practically, where does the
money come from? If you ask me, the money is the easiest hurdle
to cross. Creating an organization and culture that has a
transparent process to hiring the best people for the job who
work side by side with volunteers, is more difficult. But if we
want to go that way I think the board could play a role to set
the stage. The board positions should remain unpaid.
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<div>Martijn</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Kate
Chapman <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:kate@maploser.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">kate@maploser.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">I thought this was worth having its own
discussion. <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 7:46
AM, Simon Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">simon@poole.ch</a>></span>
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PS: there is the other problem that why on earth
would you want to pay the board first? Surely you
would want to pay the people on the OWG, DWG and
LWG before the directors, given they are actually
core to operations not the board, unluckily that
would probably amount to a couple of million just
for starters.</div>
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<div> Yes, I'd pay quite a few people prior to paying
the board. Some of the things the board does are
much more operational items than what a truely
strategic board would do. To me if we were to start
paying people to do those things we would hire
someone to do it rather than pay ourselves. Dorothea
over the past year has helped immensely in this way,
so there already is a precedent. </div>
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<div>-Kate</div>
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