<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">One of the challenges is that introverted, low self monitors and those who are either autistic or display some of the symptoms are attracted to <em>environments </em>like computer programming and mapping simply because they aren't particularly social creatures.<span class="gmail-st"> They can be very single minded and very effective.<br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span class="gmail-st"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span class="gmail-st">I think my favourite quote is about the job requirements for quants. "Social skills are not a job requirement." I can certainly bring to mind one programmer I've worked with. She could grasp complexities I couldn't, and the work was robust and excellent but on the social skills side if you think I'm blunt well she would be off the scale at times.<br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span class="gmail-st"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span class="gmail-st">The challenge is identifying the issues that people feel uncomfortable about but whether we can address every one to everyone's satisfaction I doubt. Locally one neighbour took it into his head to steal women's underwear. I seem to recall he eventual managed to murder someone a year or two ago. However another neighbour now in her early twenties has been left in a state where she gets uncomfortable with any male who is not family.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span class="gmail-st"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span class="gmail-st">I used to hire librarians because they were cheaper than computer consultants. They were excellent at the technical writing side. Perhaps one approach would be to find someone to clean up the documentation although how you'd do that in a wiki I'm not sure.<br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span class="gmail-st"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span class="gmail-st">Cheerio John<em><br></em></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 November 2017 at 18:45, Tim Elrick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:osm@elrick.de" target="_blank">osm@elrick.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-7853867416180158688moz-cite-prefix">'One would hope that we welcome all',
indeed. However, the few scientific studies that looked into
gender and other social biases in OSM (e.g. study by Steinmann, et
al. [1], Stephens/Rondinone [2] or Uhlmann, et al. [3]) suggest
that these biases prevail. The OSM community still is dominated by
young, white, middle-class males with a tecchy background (me
included, although the young doesn't hold anymore). <br>
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Anyone who follows OSM discussions will notice a specific
communication style - I would describe it as open and pretty
direct/blunt (which adheres to specific cultural traits, that can
be found in male-tecchy dominated communication as well as e.g.
'German style' communication); the above mentioned studies suggest
that quite some people interested in participating in OSM could be
deterred by such a communication style (and I just want to remind
you about the discussion of Severin's contribution a couple of
days ago). Please note, that I do not say one cannot get
accustomed to this style and if you do, you find out that most
communication is not intended to be disrespectful or unfriendly at
all, but more often e.g. protective of one's work,
annoyed-why-newbies-cannot-<wbr>read-the-wiki-first,
surprised-that-someone-does-<wbr>not-understand-the-priorities-<wbr>in-OSM,
etc.<br>
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We can also find (gender) in the features mapped: while we have a
quite sophisticated use and differentiation of brothels, we still
miss this use and differentiation in childcare (yes, there are a
lot of amenity=kindergarten, but if you compare amenity=brothel to
amenity=preschool/nursery/<wbr>creche ...). My point here is that the
interests of the persons mapping, of course, reflects in the
features mapped; and I am glad it does; however, apparently, we
are still missing the caring fathers and mothers who map the
pre-schools.<br>
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So, as much as I value the OSM eco system and its distinctive
communication style and dealings, if we want to broaden our
contributor base and overcome some of the social biases (of
course, there are economic biases, too), I guess, we have to think
about our communication style and dealings with each other, too.<br>
<br>
Tim<br>
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[1] Renate Steinmann, Elisabeth Häusler, Silvia Klettner, Manuela
Schmidt and Yuwei Lin 2013: Gender Dimensions in UGC and VGI: A
Desk-Based Study, <cite class="m_-7853867416180158688_Rm"><a class="m_-7853867416180158688moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://hw.oeaw.ac.at/0xc1aa500d_0x002e6e72.pdf" target="_blank">http://hw.oeaw.ac.at/<wbr>0xc1aa500d_0x002e6e72.pdf</a></cite><br>
[2] Monica Stephens, Antonella Rondinone (2012): Presentation at
the Association of American Geographers' Annual Meeting in New
York: Gendering the GeoWeb, <a class="m_-7853867416180158688moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.slideshare.net/geographiliac/gendering-the-geoweb" target="_blank">https://www.slideshare.net/<wbr>geographiliac/gendering-the-<wbr>geoweb</a><br>
[3] J. Uhlmann, F. Tommasini, H.-J. Stark (2010): Presentation at
the FOSSGIS e.V. annual meeting in Osnabrück, Germany: Empirische
Untersuchung der Motivation von Teilnehmenden bei der freiwilligen
Erfassung von Geodaten, Fachhochschule Nordwestschweiz.<div><div class="h5"><br>
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Am 27.11.2017 um 08:28 schrieb john whelan:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">One would
hope that we welcome all no matter what gender they declare
themselves as or if they declare themselves at all.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Having
people declare their gender means leaving them open to "trolls"
and many feel safer not doing so.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">From my
work validating and giving feedback its apparent that you cannot
assume the gender from the user name and I know of a number of
people that would rather be judged by their contributions than
by their gender.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio
John<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 27 November 2017 at 03:05, Heather
Leson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:heatherleson@gmail.com" target="_blank">heatherleson@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Dear OSMF members
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<div dir="auto">I'd like to re-open a discussion about
gender in this community. How can we improve the gender
balance? I know there are some amazing leaders and best
practices. It would be great to hear from women and other
genders that are often rare voices. Kate posted about
diversity this summer. Let's build on this.</div>
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<div dir="auto">As much as I've been vocal during this
period, I tend to read and not comment on this forum. The
reason for that is partially due to the tone. OSM can only
truly global if we keep working on this.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Also, would the "actions" from this
discussion flow to the membership working group? I notice
that there are no women listed on the wiki for this group.
Maybe we need a "gender chair" to really follow through.
The "membership working group" does not appear to have the
offical responsibilty to improve the community experience.
If not the "membership working group" to take up this gap,
then maybe we need a balanced "community working group" .</div>
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<div dir="auto">Thank you and have a good day,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Heather</div>
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