<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div>I don't think it's appropriate to discuss the specifics of Nicolas and Severin cases publicly. As you can imagine, this is a very selective reporting of the history, and there is an extensive backstory which has not been discussed.</div><div><br></div><div>I will say, the facts remain, the overwhelming majority of the HOT membership has supported the Code of Conduct, and the specific actions taken in response to how Nicolas and Severin conducted themselves in HOT. </div><div><br></div><div>The purpose and process of the Code of Conduct as it is presented in this thread is not accurate. <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">This is not about silencing criticism. </span>Healthy dialogue includes and must have criticism. But this comes with a collective responsibility to build a good and productive space for the community and a need to respect others.</div><div><br></div><div>Mikel</div><div><br></div><div class="ydp32c31888signature">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div></div>
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On Friday, December 1, 2017, 10:53:08 AM EST, Christoph Hormann <chris_hormann@gmx.de> wrote:
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<div><br clear="none">This to me looks like a valuable perspective and important context on <br clear="none">the inner workings of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team US inc. (i <br clear="none">think i got the name right this time). I had looked at the documents <br clear="none">available about the internal rules of HOT after the recent discussions <br clear="none">related to it myself and quite a few things about the procedures you <br clear="none">describe can be figured out from those as well (an i also concluded <br clear="none">that Severin Menard was likely expelled from HOT on grounds of the <br clear="none">CoC - you seem to confirm this).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It is probably not surprising to most people that what you describe to <br clear="none">be the practical functions/effects of the HOT CoC are often the primary <br clear="none">intentional effects of a CoC when it is imposed by a Corporation on <br clear="none">their public multidirectional communication activities (think of <br clear="none">facebook groups, a user support forum or some crowd sourcing project). <br clear="none">Preventing such activities resulting in communication that is negative <br clear="none">for the corporation in some form from the perspective of the leadership <br clear="none">of the corporation, ensuring a comfortable environment for high value <br clear="none">participants - if deemed necessary at the cost of taking actions <br clear="none">against troublesome, inconvenient and lower value participants, such <br clear="none">things are the main purposes of a CoC in such cases.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If the intentions for establishing the HOT CoC were similar is something <br clear="none">i don't know (and you do not seem to give any indication to that <br clear="none">either). But since most CoCs are similar in structure and wording it <br clear="none">is clear that most CoCs can be (ab)used to such purposes.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Regarding a hypothetical OSMF CoC - so far no serious advance has taken <br clear="none">place towards this. If such a thing happened the first things to <br clear="none">discuss would be the purposes of such a CoC and the scope where it is <br clear="none">meant to apply. Depending on what is the result of such discussion it <br clear="none">seems to me that given the nature of the OpenStreetMap project as a <br clear="none">global, decentralized multicultural community creating a morally <br clear="none">defensible CoC is likely an impossible task.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Something i have not figured out by the way is if the HOT CoC only <br clear="none">applies on HOT related matters or if it is meant to apply with <br clear="none">universal scope (i.e. if HOT members are required to follow it even <br clear="none">when doing things unrelated to their HOT membership). There are a <br clear="none">number of comments by HOT members in recent discussion on this mailing <br clear="none">list that i would deem in violation of the HOT CoC - but this assumes <br clear="none">the CoC applies to HOT members here - which i am not sure about.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Christoph Hormann<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.imagico.de/" target="_blank">http://www.imagico.de/</a><div class="yqt8510528367" id="yqtfd65419"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">osmf-talk mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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