<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>While I see where such concerns come from, I don't think declining whole idea CoC or any other rules because they can be abused and there may be false accusations is a solution. English is my 3rd language, but I believe "throwing out the baby with the water" is the phrase, which belongs here.<br><br></div>First of all, in none of quotations of CoC, we see "if someone was accused in doing smth. bad than she/he gets removed from event", instead we seee "if someone engages in smth. bad".<br></div>So those who decided of CoC was broken or not, should practice common sense and try to make sure accusation were not false. Otherwise anything can be abused and misinterpreted.<br></div>Second, if enough people share same concerns, wouldn't <br>1) adding "false accusations of braking CoC is another way to go against CoC" to the Code of Conduct and <br>2) a reminder to those making decisions to practice caution and make sure CoC was actually broken before showing red cards <br><br>More of solution to the problem, than your initial proposal to ditch CoC all-together?<br><br></div>Best,<br></div>Aleksey Chalabyan a.k.a. Xelgen<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-12-02 18:31 GMT+04:00 Rory McCann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rory@technomancy.org" target="_blank">rory@technomancy.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">⚠️ Semi-graphic description of sexual assault & rape below ⚠️<br>
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On 02/12/17 06:02, John Gilmore wrote:<br>
> without any further evidence?<br>
Who suggested not requiring evidence?<br>
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> what happens when the advance was obviously "welcome" at the start,<br>
> but the alleged victim decides later that it was "unwelcome"? I know<br>
> a guy who's spent years living in exile in an embassy over just that<br>
> situation.<br>
</span>I suggest you read the charges against Assange in the UK High Court<br>
judgement upholding his extradition[1]. He is accused of starting to have<br>
sex with someone who was asleep, and holding another woman down and<br>
forcing her legs open with his body.<br>
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> The violence consisted in a firm hold of the injured party's arms and<br>
> a forceful spreading of her legs whilst lying on top of her and with<br>
> his body weight preventing her from moving or shifting.<br>
> Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her<br>
> byimproperly exploiting that she, due to sleep. was in a helpless<br>
> state.<br>
If you're confused if that's OK, let me explain it: It's not OK. Maybe<br>
look at the evidence in future. 😉<br>
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> The best thing in my opinion would be to explicitly DECLINE to<br>
> produce any kind of "Code of Conduct"<br>
</span>Are you in favour of disbanding the Data Working Group, or of removing<br>
the ability to block OSM accounts? If not, you're in favour of *some<br>
sort* of code of conduct.<br>
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[1] <a href="http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.bailii.org/ew/<wbr>cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.<wbr>html</a><br>
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