<div dir="ltr">> <span style="font-size:12.8px">everybody can decide for themselves</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Amen!</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">> </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">that is all not true</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">That's all true history, but I just don't think you know me well enough to know my whole history, and we're focusing on HOT because it's been (unfairly) made an election issue. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">What I disagree with -- </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">that I represent the humanitarian sector on the Board. A</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">ny more than I represent the UK community or craftmappers (I mapped an entire city by bicycle) or Mapbox (my employer) or the DWG (which I started) or State of the Map (which I am actively engaged in).</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-1625098465819000343moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.12.2017 um 17:14 schrieb Mikel
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<div>Simon, thanks. I think there's a couple misunderstandings
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> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Heathers election platform
essentially offers to (re-)form the OSMF (and by extension
OSM) just as you did HOT</span>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I've seen nothing from
Heather that suggests "reforming" OSMF and OSM. Rather her
vision fits nicely with the current course and ideas which
the Board and Foundation. Helping to engage more members and
volunteers in our efforts is something we all want.</span></div>
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Do I really have to start quoting page after page from Heather, I
suspect we've all already read her manifest, and everybody can
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<div>> <span style="font-size:12.8px">the humanitarian sector
voluntarily limiting itself to a presence of a maximum of
two seats on the OSMF board</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">(note a limit not an entitlement).
This should encompasses employees and equivalent of such
organisations, larger funders and organisations that derive
a majority of their income from such organisations.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">So, there are currently zero
people on the Board "from the humanitarian sector". I don't
know if this limit would be valid or not, but it's
definitely not relevant for the current election.</span></div>
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Sorry you just linked to a piece with the history of HOT mainly
featuring you, made a longish statement that boils down to that HOT
was all your idea and formed according to your vision, you work for
a company that, well it was actually you, announced strategic
alignment with HOT, you've worked professionally in the filed, you
hold a formal position inside HOT and are a voting member and then
you turn around and say that is all not true?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:09 AM, Simon
Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>></span>
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04.12.2017 um 04:21 schrieb Mikel Maron:<br>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">A few notes, on all this discussion of HOT, and what’s actually relevant from that for the OSMF.</span></p>
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</span> Thank Mikel for clarifying this.<br>
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It does show why it both current threads on osmf-talk are
completely on topic, Heathers election platform
essentially offers to (re-)form the OSMF (and by extension
OSM) just as you did HOT. Hearing out to a certain point
those that lost out in HOT due to such a course is just a
part of determining if we want to elect somebody that is
proposing a similar course.<br>
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Now I'm not sure there is much point in hearing the
nitty-gritty details of who did what, because in the end
what does count, is that in the end an identifiable
sub-group couldn't continue on working inside HOT,
including the co-founder. That is quite OK in a startuppy
kind of way (we can wait for the <span>cinematic version
in "The Humanita</span>rian Network" :-)), but as you
say it can not be a role model for OSM.<br>
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Given the perceived need for strong leadership, clear
command structures and responsibilities in the
humanitarian sector that you describe, it is unlikely the
the influence of the humanitarian sector topic will be
going away and will continue to have the potential for
lots of strife: what about the humanitarian sector
voluntarily limiting itself to a presence of a maximum of
two seats on the OSMF board (note a limit not an
entitlement). This should encompasses employees and
equivalent of such organisations, larger funders and
organisations that derive a majority of their income from
such organisations.<span class="m_-1625098465819000343HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Simon<br>
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