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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.12.2017 um 18:14 schrieb Mikel
      Maron:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">> <span style="font-size:12.8px">everybody can
          decide for themselves</span>
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        <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Amen!</span></div>
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        <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">> </span><span
            style="font-size:12.8px">that is all not true</span></div>
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        <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">That's all true history, but
            I just don't think you know me well enough to know my whole
            history, and we're focusing on HOT because it's been
            (unfairly) made an election issue. </span></div>
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        <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">What I disagree with -- </span><span
            style="font-size:12.8px">that I represent the humanitarian
            sector on the Board. A</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">ny
            more than I represent the UK community or craftmappers (I
            mapped an entire city by bicycle) or Mapbox (my employer) or
            the DWG (which I started) or State of the Map (which I am
            actively engaged in).</span></div>
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    I specifically avoided using "represent", and wrote "..limiting
    itself to a presence of a maximum of two seats .." to avoid yet
    another discussion of if representation is a thing on the OSMF
    board. There is no requirement to disclose any arrangements of any
    kind around standing for election so in the end we don't and can't
    know except if voluntarily declared.  What we can reasonably deduce
    is that the direct employers are OK with it. <br>
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    So the question is more: are you heavily involved in the
    humanitarian sector or not? <br>
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    Simon<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon
          Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch"
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                  04.12.2017 um 17:14 schrieb Mikel Maron:<br>
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                    <div>Simon, thanks. I think there's a couple
                      misunderstandings though.</div>
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                    > <span style="font-size:12.8px">Heathers
                      election platform essentially offers to (re-)form
                      the OSMF (and by extension OSM) just as you did
                      HOT</span>
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                    <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I've seen
                        nothing from Heather that suggests "reforming"
                        OSMF and OSM. Rather her vision fits nicely with
                        the current course and ideas which the Board and
                        Foundation. Helping to engage more members and
                        volunteers in our efforts is something we all
                        want.</span></div>
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              </span> Do I really have to start quoting page after page
              from Heather, I suspect we've all already read her
              manifest, and everybody can decide for themselves. <br>
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                    <div>> <span style="font-size:12.8px">the
                        humanitarian sector voluntarily  limiting itself
                        to a presence of a maximum of two seats on the
                        OSMF board</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">  </span><span
                        style="font-size:12.8px">(note a limit not an
                        entitlement). This should encompasses employees
                        and equivalent of such organisations, larger
                        funders and organisations that derive a majority
                        of their income from such organisations.</span></div>
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                    <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">So, there are
                        currently zero people on the Board "from the
                        humanitarian sector". I don't know if this limit
                        would be valid or not, but it's definitely not
                        relevant for the current election.</span></div>
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              </span> Sorry you just linked to a piece with the history
              of HOT mainly featuring you, made a longish statement that
              boils down to that HOT was all your idea  and formed
              according to your vision, you work for a company that,
              well it was actually you, announced strategic alignment
              with HOT, you've worked professionally in the filed, you
              hold a formal position inside HOT and are a voting member
              and then you turn around and say that is all not true?<span
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                    <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">-Mikel</span></div>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:09
                      AM, Simon Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                              04.12.2017 um 04:21 schrieb Mikel Maron:<br>
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                                    style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Hey everybody</span></p>
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                                    style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">A few notes, on all this discussion of HOT, and what’s actually relevant from that for the OSMF.</span></p>
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                          </span> Thank Mikel for clarifying this.<br>
                          <br>
                          It does show why it both current threads on
                          osmf-talk are completely on topic, Heathers
                          election platform essentially offers to
                          (re-)form the OSMF (and by extension OSM) just
                          as you did HOT. Hearing out to a certain point
                          those that lost out in HOT due to such a
                          course is just a part of determining if we
                          want to elect somebody that is proposing a
                          similar course.<br>
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                          Now I'm not sure there is much point in
                          hearing the nitty-gritty details of who did
                          what, because in the end what does count, is
                          that in the end an identifiable sub-group
                          couldn't continue on working inside HOT,
                          including the co-founder. That is quite OK in
                          a startuppy kind of way (we can wait for the <span>cinematic
                            version in "The Humanita</span>rian Network"
                          :-)), but as you say it can not be a role
                          model for OSM.<br>
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                          Given the perceived need for strong
                          leadership, clear command structures and
                          responsibilities in the humanitarian sector
                          that you describe, it is unlikely the the
                          influence of the humanitarian sector topic
                          will be going away and will continue to have
                          the potential for lots of strife: what about
                          the humanitarian sector voluntarily  limiting
                          itself to a presence of a maximum of two seats
                          on the OSMF board (note a limit not an
                          entitlement). This should encompasses
                          employees and equivalent of such
                          organisations, larger funders and
                          organisations that derive a majority of their
                          income from such organisations.<span
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