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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.12.2017 um 18:14 schrieb Mikel
Maron:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <span style="font-size:12.8px">everybody can
decide for themselves</span>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Amen!</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">> </span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">that is all not true</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">That's all true history, but
I just don't think you know me well enough to know my whole
history, and we're focusing on HOT because it's been
(unfairly) made an election issue. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">What I disagree with -- </span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">that I represent the humanitarian
sector on the Board. A</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">ny
more than I represent the UK community or craftmappers (I
mapped an entire city by bicycle) or Mapbox (my employer) or
the DWG (which I started) or State of the Map (which I am
actively engaged in).</span></div>
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I specifically avoided using "represent", and wrote "..limiting
itself to a presence of a maximum of two seats .." to avoid yet
another discussion of if representation is a thing on the OSMF
board. There is no requirement to disclose any arrangements of any
kind around standing for election so in the end we don't and can't
know except if voluntarily declared. What we can reasonably deduce
is that the direct employers are OK with it. <br>
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So the question is more: are you heavily involved in the
humanitarian sector or not? <br>
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Simon<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon
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04.12.2017 um 17:14 schrieb Mikel Maron:<br>
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<div>Simon, thanks. I think there's a couple
misunderstandings though.</div>
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> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Heathers
election platform essentially offers to (re-)form
the OSMF (and by extension OSM) just as you did
HOT</span>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I've seen
nothing from Heather that suggests "reforming"
OSMF and OSM. Rather her vision fits nicely with
the current course and ideas which the Board and
Foundation. Helping to engage more members and
volunteers in our efforts is something we all
want.</span></div>
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</span> Do I really have to start quoting page after page
from Heather, I suspect we've all already read her
manifest, and everybody can decide for themselves. <br>
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<div>> <span style="font-size:12.8px">the
humanitarian sector voluntarily limiting itself
to a presence of a maximum of two seats on the
OSMF board</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> </span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">(note a limit not an
entitlement). This should encompasses employees
and equivalent of such organisations, larger
funders and organisations that derive a majority
of their income from such organisations.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">So, there are
currently zero people on the Board "from the
humanitarian sector". I don't know if this limit
would be valid or not, but it's definitely not
relevant for the current election.</span></div>
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</span> Sorry you just linked to a piece with the history
of HOT mainly featuring you, made a longish statement that
boils down to that HOT was all your idea and formed
according to your vision, you work for a company that,
well it was actually you, announced strategic alignment
with HOT, you've worked professionally in the filed, you
hold a formal position inside HOT and are a voting member
and then you turn around and say that is all not true?<span
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">-Mikel</span></div>
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04.12.2017 um 04:21 schrieb Mikel Maron:<br>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Hey everybody</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">A few notes, on all this discussion of HOT, and what’s actually relevant from that for the OSMF.</span></p>
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</span> Thank Mikel for clarifying this.<br>
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It does show why it both current threads on
osmf-talk are completely on topic, Heathers
election platform essentially offers to
(re-)form the OSMF (and by extension OSM) just
as you did HOT. Hearing out to a certain point
those that lost out in HOT due to such a
course is just a part of determining if we
want to elect somebody that is proposing a
similar course.<br>
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Now I'm not sure there is much point in
hearing the nitty-gritty details of who did
what, because in the end what does count, is
that in the end an identifiable sub-group
couldn't continue on working inside HOT,
including the co-founder. That is quite OK in
a startuppy kind of way (we can wait for the <span>cinematic
version in "The Humanita</span>rian Network"
:-)), but as you say it can not be a role
model for OSM.<br>
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Given the perceived need for strong
leadership, clear command structures and
responsibilities in the humanitarian sector
that you describe, it is unlikely the the
influence of the humanitarian sector topic
will be going away and will continue to have
the potential for lots of strife: what about
the humanitarian sector voluntarily limiting
itself to a presence of a maximum of two seats
on the OSMF board (note a limit not an
entitlement). This should encompasses
employees and equivalent of such
organisations, larger funders and
organisations that derive a majority of their
income from such organisations.<span
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