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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.12.2017 um 01:30 schrieb Eugene
Alvin Villar:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Simon
Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch"
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> That said, nobody has opposed the
adoption of CoC by community near projects in any case,
given that none of them are actually controlled by the
OSMF and are in general private undertakings, it is not
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<div class="gmail_extra">The original thread post has listed
various third-party organizations and software development
projects that have adopted CoCs for reference purposes. Some
people have expressed the idea that what other
organizations/projects do does not really apply to OSMF, and
while it has been mentioned that HOT US Inc. already has a
CoC, some people have misgivings about the US-incorporated
organization in the first place and would not think that what
HOT (the organization) does is applicable to the OSMF.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I agree that these other CoCs are not
actually controlled by the OSMF but my point is that having an
CoC is not an alien concept to the OSM community. Given that
there are many people in the OSM community that participate in
projects that *have* adopted a CoC, I think their thoughts and
ideas (as expressed in their pull requests and discussions)
about the concept of having a CoC is directly relevant and
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Essentially "nobody" participates in the above projects (at most
~200 people). But that's not the point, the point is that they've
chosen for themselves and haven't had an outside organisation decide
for them, particularly they've been free to decide if an US--tech
org. style CoC is fitting for them or if they would like to do
something else (none of them outside of iD is dependent on deep
pocket US funders, so I assume that it was actually free will, which
is not true for many other projects outside of OSM) . You need to go
back and re-read the original posting in the thread which suggests
that the OSMF adopts a single such (if the shopping list is anything
to go by) policy for the whole of OSM, covering all public and
non-public OSM related communication for at least roughly a million
people.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">For further reference, subsets of the
OSM community already conduct events that have event-specific
CoCs. Here are some of them, for reference:</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">- SotM LatAm (click on the "Our
conference has a code of conduct" link under the "About the
event" section): <a href="http://state.osmlatam.org/en/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://state.osmlatam.org/en/</a></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">- SotM US (listed halfway down the
page): <a href="https://2017.stateofthemap.us/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://2017.stateofthemap.us/</a></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">- SotM Asia: <a
href="http://2017.stateofthemap.asia/code-of-conduct.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://2017.stateofthemap.asia/code-of-conduct.html</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">The main State of the Map conference
itself, which is directly controlled by the OSMF, already has
a CoC in place:</div>
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- <a href="https://2017.stateofthemap.org/codeofconduct/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://2017.stateofthemap.org/codeofconduct/</a><br>
- <a href="https://2016.stateofthemap.org/codeofconduct/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://2016.stateofthemap.org/codeofconduct/</a><br>
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Have you actually tried to organize a conference without a CoC these
days? Just alone the financial pressure is so large that you don't
really have a choice.<br>
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Conferences are one of the few venues in OSM that I know of were
there have been actual complaints that likely would be covered by a
core CoC (sexual harrassment, gender bias etc). Not one designed to
be invokable just because a topic is being discussed that somebody
is not comfortable with. See Nathaniels (successful!) attempt to
shut up Michelle, that interesting enough nobody called out
(consider that done now).<br>
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Simon<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Regards,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Eugene<br>
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