<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Thanks for this conversation.<br><br><br></div>I think it is also about clear pathways for engagement. <br><br>A thought exercise:<br>how might we reshape ourselves to improve software contributions? What is the vision we have to support the working groups and engage more folks<br><br>Some ideas:<br><br>-ask for software contributions that value their time <br>-give credit/tell a good inclusive story <br>-product/project management (1 hour, 3 hour, 5 times a month asks)<br>-engage in human collaboration (kindness)<br>-be a community manager <br><br></div><div>I am with Joost on this 'root cause' opportunity - track ideas, iterative together, coordinate. <br></div><div><br>Heather <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Heather Leson<br><a href="mailto:heatherleson@gmail.com" target="_blank">heatherleson@gmail.com</a><br>Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson <br>Blog: <a href="http://textontechs.com" target="_blank">textontechs.com</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:44 AM, Simon Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Actually I think this is more indicative of why software
development is so inefficient in OSM than anything else. <br>
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<p>There are plenty of developers in OSM space, but when they do
something <br>
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<p>- It is mainly ego driven, quite understandably so "if I spend my
free time on something, I want the glory", with the result that it
is nearly impossible to get people to work together on an existing
project,</p>
<p>- it is completely uncoordinated, the EWG just went through a
process of gathering and prioritising important tasks, Bryan
creates a parallel effort to bolster his election platform so we
end up with duplication of effort even at a meta level, not to
mention that most devs can't even be a****d to mention on the dev
list that they intend to work on something and by that don't get
important requirement information (for example information on GDPR
related requirements).</p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p>SImon<br>
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<div class="m_1526950995721928338moz-cite-prefix">Am 20.02.2018 um 08:57 schrieb joost
schouppe:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">This discussion shows once again how
great we are at generating smart ideas. That definitely is not
our problem. But all ideas are equal and will only get
executed if the one who posited them executes them. As the
project becomes more complex, that means you can either play
in a corner by yourself, or try to effect change as an
individual. It also means power to the devs and the time-rich,
not to the community at large. None of which is optimal. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra">We need a way to turn a thread into
competing ideas, and to turn winning ideas into actions. I'm
not sure how we can do that, but I'm enthousiastic about Bryan
Housel's just-do-it project of using a github issue tracker
for that (see his position statement for the OSM-US elections
[1]). I agree with emacsen that having such things run by a
single developer is probably the worst possible solution, but
I think this is a good enough idea to be worth a shot for
being organised at OSMF level.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">1: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bhousel" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/wiki/User:Bhousel</a></div>
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