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<p>The OSMF simply has very little to say in the game, it really
boils down to organizing the annual participation in GSOC.</p>
<p>You can argue that it indirectly controls contributions to the
website/API code by virtue of what actually gets deployed on
openstreetmap.org, but the code it has rights in is limited to
parts of the redaction code written by Andy Allan on contract. <br>
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Ilya does has a point that making suggestions and code contributions
to the website/API code will now and then run in to unstated and
unpublished constraints due to the fact that we are currently not
running or building a general purpose google (or other) competitor,
and that is really not documented in any easy to find way. That is
bound to lead to tensions with enthusiastic potential contributors,
and ends with them blaming the messenger. <br>
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It undoubtedly would help if the board provided clarity in a formal
document (iirc the last statement on the matter likely goes back to
2011) on what the purpose and target audience of the website is (and
considering the recent push for the OSMF to start providing paid for
services, which the board is likely expecting other people to fend
off, a general outline of its business principles).<br>
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Simon<br>
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<div>Thanks for this conversation.<br>
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I think it is also about clear pathways for engagement. <br>
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A thought exercise:<br>
how might we reshape ourselves to improve software
contributions? What is the vision we have to support the
working groups and engage more folks<br>
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Some ideas:<br>
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-ask for software contributions that value their time <br>
-give credit/tell a good inclusive story <br>
-product/project management (1 hour, 3 hour, 5 times a month
asks)<br>
-engage in human collaboration (kindness)<br>
-be a community manager <br>
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<div>I am with Joost on this 'root cause' opportunity - track
ideas, iterative together, coordinate. <br>
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<p>Actually I think this is more indicative of why
software development is so inefficient in OSM than
anything else. <br>
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<p>There are plenty of developers in OSM space, but when
they do something <br>
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<p>- It is mainly ego driven, quite understandably so "if
I spend my free time on something, I want the glory",
with the result that it is nearly impossible to get
people to work together on an existing project,</p>
<p>- it is completely uncoordinated, the EWG just went
through a process of gathering and prioritising
important tasks, Bryan creates a parallel effort to
bolster his election platform so we end up with
duplication of effort even at a meta level, not to
mention that most devs can't even be a****d to mention
on the dev list that they intend to work on something
and by that don't get important requirement information
(for example information on GDPR related requirements).</p>
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<div class="gmail_extra">This discussion shows
once again how great we are at generating smart
ideas. That definitely is not our problem. But
all ideas are equal and will only get executed
if the one who posited them executes them. As
the project becomes more complex, that means you
can either play in a corner by yourself, or try
to effect change as an individual. It also means
power to the devs and the time-rich, not to the
community at large. None of which is optimal. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra">We need a way to turn a
thread into competing ideas, and to turn winning
ideas into actions. I'm not sure how we can do
that, but I'm enthousiastic about Bryan Housel's
just-do-it project of using a github issue
tracker for that (see his position statement for
the OSM-US elections [1]). I agree with emacsen
that having such things run by a single
developer is probably the worst possible
solution, but I think this is a good enough idea
to be worth a shot for being organised at OSMF
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