<div><div dir="auto">Hi Frederik,</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I can understand that and I didn’t know about any trademark policy when I registered a domain for my project almost 3 years ago and until now. To the best of my knowledge this is the first time anyone has brought this up with me.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It seems as if the trademark policy was introduced in 2018.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have reached out to this mailing list a few times over the last 2-3 years and I have been following the discussion somewhat and I have even met with others who I consider very knowledgeable about OSM and you are the first to tell me that I might get sued for doing my best to try and open data to stop plastic going into the ocean in the best way that I know possible on my own initiative without any help from anyone but thanks that’s just really made my day after the years of hard work and sacrifices I have made to try and produce open data on something that I consider important.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I honestly thought that people in this group would have been delighted to see some initiative in trying to produce new forms of Open Geographic Maps and data that can also be used to fill gaps in OSM. The response overall, not limited to any group, has been profoundly disappointing to the extent that I am wondering, what’s the point in trying to do all of this work if no one, not even a crazy bitcoin philanthropist or the OSMF cares, and the people I thought would sympathize and help me the most actually now are actually emailing me 1 year after my platform is in production about sueing me in court for violating a trademark policy I didn’t even know existed?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why didn’t anyone reach out to me over the last 12 months about a trademark policy? I made it quite clear as early as I possibly could what my intentions were with developing OpenLitterMap. Maybe ClosedLitterMap is a more realistic paradigm after all considering the lack of support? Do I also need permission to create that?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One of the greatest challenges I face is trying to explain to people why they should create open data and why this is different from creating closed data on other platforms. Most people mapping plastic pollution today do not question the openness of the data they are crowdsourcing and I find this lack of geospatial knowledge problematic. Can you imagine a community that said we are going to map all the streets in the worlds, you can see them on a map, but you can’t access any data. That is what’s going on in the majority of the litter mapping community right now. To me, the words open litter and map achieved the most simple and effective way of communicating why people should create open data on plastic pollution and I was not aware that I needed permission from anyone in any organization to try and communicate that in the most effective manner that I deemed possible.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sure, I would like to be friends and settle this in a responsible manner. I will consider applying for a license if it will keep you happy and not sue me for doing my work that I consider important. I just wish someone was proactive about it and said “hey maybe we should write to this guy who is trying to create new open forms of geographic data on an issue of urgent planetary concern and see if we can help? After all we are OpenStreetMap and we know what we are talking about and this is just a guy trying to figure things out without any support from anyone”</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">After all I am the one writing to you for your valuable feedback and the reason I have done so is because I hope this can amount to something much more positive and constructive.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Seán</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu 14 Jun 2018 at 7:39 a.m., Frederik Ramm <<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
On 14.06.2018 00:34, Seán Lynch wrote:<br>
> I do not believe that I need to apply to any other organisation for<br>
> permission to develop OpenLitterMap. <br>
<br>
Let's phrase it differently:<br>
<br>
We, as OpenStretMap, would *like* everyone who creates an<br>
Open-Something-Map to ask us before they do that (and let *us* decide if<br>
we think the term can be confused with OSM, instead of deciding themselves).<br>
<br>
Whether someone actually respects this wish, or shows us the finger and<br>
says "go away I don't have to ask anyone for anything", is a different<br>
kettle of fish.<br>
<br>
And whether we then sue them for trademark infringement, is still another.<br>
<br>
Realistically, if you decide to ignore our wish, it is not very likely<br>
that we will actually sue you in court, especially if what you're doing<br>
is a niche thing, because we have limited resources. Just don't expect<br>
us to become friends either.<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
Frederik<br>
<br>
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Frederik Ramm ## eMail <a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a> ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"<br>
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</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><a href="https://openlittermap.com" target="_blank">https://openlittermap.com</a> @OpenLitterMap (Fb, Tw, Ig)<br>M.Sc. Coastal & Marine Environments (NUIG, 2015)<br></div>M.Sc. GIS & Remote Sensing (UCC, 2014)<br></div>B.A. Geography & Economics (UCC, 2011)<br></div><a href="http://ie.linkedin.com/in/seanlynchgis" target="_blank">ie.linkedin.com/in/seanlynchgis</a><br></div></div></div></div>