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    <p>The problem with the proposed regulation as is, is that there are
      no safe harbour terms.  With other words a "platform" is liable
      for user submitted content no matter what. <br>
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    <p>For large parts of the creative industry that is not such a big
      issue, because you can negotiate agreements with the collecting
      societies (or the government puts tariffs in place that you simply
      need to pay) see
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_collective">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_collective</a> These are the
      organisations that for example collect fees from radio and TV
      stations, from sales empty data carriers (DVDs etc) and hard
      disks, use of copying machines and so on, and distribute the
      received funds to their members.  <br>
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    <p>Well known example is youtube paying fees to GEMA, but anybody
      that has ever played or broadcasted music publicly knows this (or
      at least should know, because they undoubtedly owe money to the
      respective collection society) . <br>
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    <p>Essentially the legislation intends to force "platforms"  to
      enter in to such agreements with collecting societies where they
      exist, the difficult part is where these don't exist or only
      represent part of the right holders or special cases. For example
      Wikipedia (use in an encyclopedia) or OSM (subject matter). From
      the wording of the proposed regulation it is completely clear that
      the notion of users owning the rights in the uploaded content
      themselves didn't even remotely cross the minds of the
      legislators.</p>
    <p>Simon</p>
    <p>PS: many aeons ago (aka 90 something) I was part of a
      multi-stakeholder group that explored potential tariffs for
      Internet use of classical creative works (music, print and so on).
      I have to say that the arguments on both sides haven't really
      changed at all.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 13.09.2018 um 08:47 schrieb Jaak
      Laineste:<br>
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      <div class="">Can you do quick summary what is the issue or threat
        for OSM exactly here, in layman's terms? </div>
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      <div class="">I understand how Wikimedia as generic platform has
        their concerns, as they may need to cite articles from
        traditional media etc. AFAIK OSM has very "appropriate and
        proportionate " measures in place since the beginning, just as
        required in the bill, to protect against illegal upload of
        copyrighted content, which are illegal imports in our terms. It
        is never bullet-proof, but I don't see any legal risk or trouble
        here. Of course it could be me being ignorant or naive.</div>
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      <div class="">Jaak</div>
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          <div class="">On 12 Sep 2018, at 23:02, Manfred A. Reiter <<a
              href="mailto:ma.reiter@gmail.com" class=""
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="">In Brussels, politicians
                          decide things that might endanger
                          OpenStreetMap as a project as a whole. <br
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                        <div dir="ltr" class=""><a
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="">Copyright in the Digital
                          Single Market<br class="">
                          <span class="gmail-contents_small_bis"><i
                              class="">Report: <b class=""> <span
                                  class="gmail-auteur">Axel Voss</span></b>
                              (<a
href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=REPORT&reference=A8-2018-0245&language=EN"
                                class="" moz-do-not-send="true">A8-0245/2018</a>)</i></span><br
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                          <span class="gmail-contents_small_bis">Report
                            on the proposal for a directive of the
                            European Parliament and of the Council on
                            copyright in the Digital Single Market</span><br
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                          <span class="gmail-contents_small_bis">[<a
href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi%21celexplus%21prod%21DocNumber&lg=EN&type_doc=COMfinal&an_doc=2016&nu_doc=0593"
                              class="" moz-do-not-send="true">COM(2016)0593</a> - C8-0383/2016 - <a
href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?lang=en&reference=2016/0280%28COD%29"
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                          <span class="gmail-contents_small_bis">Committee
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="">Why doesn't the official
                          representation of the community comment on
                          these eminently important things? <br
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="">No tweets, no press
                          release, nothing! - Or did I miss something?</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="">Is the OSMF aware that
                          politicians may not understand what their
                          decisions mean for OSM?</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">May I know, what OSMF
                          did to defend our data and our project like
                          Wikimedia does?</div>
                        <div class="">Or are tweets like this <a
                            href="https://twitter.com/WikimediaDE/status/1039873938598363136"
                            class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/WikimediaDE/status/1039873938598363136</a>
                          nonsens?<br class="">
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href="http://Ortter.com/WikimediaDE/status/1039873938598363136" class=""
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                              href="https://twitter.com/WikimediaDE/status/103987393859836313"
                              class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/WikimediaDE/status/103987393859836313</a></span></div>
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