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<p>The problem with the proposed regulation as is, is that there are
no safe harbour terms. With other words a "platform" is liable
for user submitted content no matter what. <br>
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<p>For large parts of the creative industry that is not such a big
issue, because you can negotiate agreements with the collecting
societies (or the government puts tariffs in place that you simply
need to pay) see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_collective">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_collective</a> These are the
organisations that for example collect fees from radio and TV
stations, from sales empty data carriers (DVDs etc) and hard
disks, use of copying machines and so on, and distribute the
received funds to their members. <br>
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<p>Well known example is youtube paying fees to GEMA, but anybody
that has ever played or broadcasted music publicly knows this (or
at least should know, because they undoubtedly owe money to the
respective collection society) . <br>
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<p>Essentially the legislation intends to force "platforms" to
enter in to such agreements with collecting societies where they
exist, the difficult part is where these don't exist or only
represent part of the right holders or special cases. For example
Wikipedia (use in an encyclopedia) or OSM (subject matter). From
the wording of the proposed regulation it is completely clear that
the notion of users owning the rights in the uploaded content
themselves didn't even remotely cross the minds of the
legislators.</p>
<p>Simon</p>
<p>PS: many aeons ago (aka 90 something) I was part of a
multi-stakeholder group that explored potential tariffs for
Internet use of classical creative works (music, print and so on).
I have to say that the arguments on both sides haven't really
changed at all.<br>
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<div class="">Can you do quick summary what is the issue or threat
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<div class="">I understand how Wikimedia as generic platform has
their concerns, as they may need to cite articles from
traditional media etc. AFAIK OSM has very "appropriate and
proportionate " measures in place since the beginning, just as
required in the bill, to protect against illegal upload of
copyrighted content, which are illegal imports in our terms. It
is never bullet-proof, but I don't see any legal risk or trouble
here. Of course it could be me being ignorant or naive.</div>
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href="mailto:ma.reiter@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ma.reiter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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decide things that might endanger
OpenStreetMap as a project as a whole. <br
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<div dir="ltr" class=""><a
href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+AGENDA+20180912+SIT+DOC+XML+V0//EN"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+AGENDA+20180912+SIT+DOC+XML+V0//EN</a></div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">Copyright in the Digital
Single Market<br class="">
<span class="gmail-contents_small_bis"><i
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(<a
href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=REPORT&reference=A8-2018-0245&language=EN"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">A8-0245/2018</a>)</i></span><br
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<span class="gmail-contents_small_bis">Report
on the proposal for a directive of the
European Parliament and of the Council on
copyright in the Digital Single Market</span><br
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<span class="gmail-contents_small_bis">[<a
href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi%21celexplus%21prod%21DocNumber&lg=EN&type_doc=COMfinal&an_doc=2016&nu_doc=0593"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">COM(2016)0593</a> - C8-0383/2016 - <a
href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?lang=en&reference=2016/0280%28COD%29"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">2016/0280(COD)</a>]</span><br
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<span class="gmail-contents_small_bis">Committee
on Legal Affairs</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Why doesn't the official
representation of the community comment on
these eminently important things? <br
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<div dir="ltr" class="">No tweets, no press
release, nothing! - Or did I miss something?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Is the OSMF aware that
politicians may not understand what their
decisions mean for OSM?</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">May I know, what OSMF
did to defend our data and our project like
Wikimedia does?</div>
<div class="">Or are tweets like this <a
href="https://twitter.com/WikimediaDE/status/1039873938598363136"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/WikimediaDE/status/1039873938598363136</a>
nonsens?<br class="">
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href="http://Ortter.com/WikimediaDE/status/1039873938598363136" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">Ortter.com/WikimediaDE/status/1039873938598363136</a></span></div>
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href="https://twitter.com/WikimediaDE/status/103987393859836313"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/WikimediaDE/status/103987393859836313</a></span></div>
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