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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.10.2018 um 20:32 schrieb Martijn
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Simon,<br class="">
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<div>In our discussions about this grant program, we didn’t
envision this to cover large infrastructure projects. Perhaps
the document should reflect that more clearly?</div>
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In my initial response I pointed out that the document doesn't
really define a scope and that's why I suggested that it might be
more productive to clearly separate infrastructure improvements from
the grant programme. <br>
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In any case excluding "large" would still include "mid-sized" and
"small". We have stalled projects (for example groups) that would
likely take a couple of man months to production, that is not large,
it might be mid-sized. I wouldn't expect a grant programme (with per
project funds as envisioned) to be a good way of getting such things
done. Think of GSOC sized stuff (which is $6'000 for three months
adjusted, mainly downwards, for purchasing power). We do have a fair
bit of experience with that, in general not what you want to do if
you simply want work done that doesn't look good on a resume and is
not in the programming language / framework / whatever du jour.<br>
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<div>I think the scope of such a program is one of the things we
seek input about. You see that there are a lot of question marks
in the Eligibility section. What would your answers be?</div>
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<div>I am not aware of any previous OSMF run programs that are
comparable but I am looking forward to your sharing a bit more
so we can learn from previous iterations and, as you suggest,
mistakes made there.</div>
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As said "comparable" is difficult because all the relevant bits were
left out of the document, but for example historically the EWG had a
hackday support programme at one time and as far as I know the
uptake was zero or close to.<br>
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In the past (again not comparable) we've forced budgeted funds for
certain WGs, actual spend often 0.<br>
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While I was on the board I had a couple of discussions with devs
that had project ideas, and suggested if they wanted support they do
a short (aka less than a page) write up of the project detailing
what they wanted to do and what funds they would require. Never
received anything.<br>
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Simon<br>
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<div>Thank you for your feedback!</div>
<div>Martijn </div>
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!important;" class="">I'm on the record ( multiple times)
of suggesting that the OSMF should take a more active role
in improving the infrastructure for OSM contributors. I
don't believe that a grant scheme is a good vehicle for
that (the work that needs to be done is not particulary
glamorous, the grant amounts too small, and the OSMF is/
should be the project driver, just to mention a couple of
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!important;" class="">Budgeting £20 '000-50 '000 annually
for such work is likely to acheive more. It would require
that the OSMF has a way to initiate and run such projects,
but that is not more of a challenge than overseeing a half
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!important;" class="">Now outside of that there might be
room for a grant scheme as envisioned, it does need to be
more clearly scoped and a mechanism devised that the funds
are actually used. The history of such schemes in OSM is
rather dismal in the sense that such support has rarely
been called upon and as a result they've been disbanded
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text-decoration: none;">Am 30. September 2018 11:43:36
MESZ schrieb Heather Leson <<a
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<div class="">Thank you for the comments and
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<div class="">Simon, truly, it is time for people to
decide more on what they want from the OSMF board.
Since I joined, I have been told time and time again
that all the major decisions and activities must be
driven by the community. We prepared this document
to start that conversation. It seems to me that the
best way forward is to 'build with'. Since OSMF
lacks a "Community Working Group" which would
normally shepherd this type of activity in an open
organization, we did need to start somewhere. I
truly welcome further discussion and movement.<span
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<div class="">For Pete, OSMF has some money donated
which we want to give back to the membership. We
also are inspired by the ways that this type of
activity has helped other open organizations. Your
questions are great.<span
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<div class="">The next steps are really about a shared
dialogue and way forward. Thus, we decided to start
this in the open knowing that it would take time for
us to move it together.<span
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<div class="">Thanks again for all the input. Step by
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Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson<span
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AM Pete Masters <<a
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<div class="">I'd be interested to know what
prompted the OSM microgrants initiative? I
don't mean this in a challenging way, but it
would be easier to think about if I know
what problem the initiative is trying to
solve or what barrier it's trying to
remove...</div>
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<div class="">I run an internal innovation
fund [1] within MSF and so have some
thoughts on how these things can work. In
this case the make up of the committee is
pretty important. Because it's an early
stage innovation thing, the committee needs
to include decision makers (to make sure
that, if a project is successful, there is
some buy in for resourcing further
development or scaling), and subject matter
experts (to be able to assess the
feasibility, potential impact and ambition
of proposals). However, it is also important
that in those selection discussions, the
'softer' aims of the fund are not forgotten
(democratisation of opportunity, cultural
change, etc). I am not suggesting this as a
model for OSM microgrants - just making the
point that the committee and the selection
process need to be designed to meet the
objectives of the initiative.</div>
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<div class="">In terms of reporting, I agree
this should not be laborious. </div>
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<div class="">On the admin side, I would
suggest a simple template for recording
expenses to make sure there is transparency
around where the money is spent (this maybe
just shared back with the committee).</div>
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<div class="">In terms of sharing outcomes,
lessons learnt, etc I think it should depend
on what the microgrant was for. What we have
learnt is that project leads and the wider
MSF community benefit more when
communication happens throughout the process
rather than just at the end (has leveraged
increased collaboration, expertise and buy
in). This is usually done through blogs [2].
Maybe an OSM diary at the start by each
grantee to set the scene?</div>
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<div class="">Hope that helps.... Happy to
continue the conversation...</div>
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<div class="">Pete</div>
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<div class="">[1] <a
href="https://www.msf.org.uk/sapling-nursery-grow-your-ideas"
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at 8:32 AM Simon Poole <<a
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<p class="">I was expecting to be able
to give constructive feedback on at
least a semi-complete plan containing
a couple of high level goals and a
rough delineation of the
groups/people/projects that could be
potential grant recipients. As is, it
essentially boils down to a "somebody
should write a Microgrant programme
document for us" plea. Your e-mail has
more substance that the document, and
aiming to let manna rain in a months
time is lets say, optimistic, based on
the current state of things. You may
be able to charter a plane for the
throwing out of the window bit by
then.<br class="">
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20.09.2018 um 22:49 schrieb Mikel
Maron:<br class="">
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<p dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">The OSM Foundation Board has been exploring a new Microgrant program, and we are seeking your feedback on the design of this new initiative.</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">The overall objective is to enable individuals and teams with actionable ideas for moving OpenStreetMap forward, but need financial support to fully execute those ideas. Grants could cover events, travel, development, teaching, outreach, community engagement, documentation, to give just a few examples. We are looking at programs like Wikimedia RapidGrants</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><font class="" color="#1155cc"> </font></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">[1] and HOT Microgrants [2] </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">as a model: a quick, transparent process with low barriers to entry, open to OSMF members. We are targeting a €50k total budget for the inaugural round. </span></p>
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<p dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">We have written up some of our thinking at this time on the OSMF wiki [3]</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">. Some topics that have generated a lot of thinking and could use more input are:</span></p>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline;" class="">What criteria and process should we use to rate and select proposals?</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline;" class="">Is there a role for Local Chapters in the selection process?</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline;" class="">What shapes can reporting on microgrants take, that is not overly laborious but informative for the OSM Community.</span></div></li>
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