<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Hi all,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div>Quickly, if this possibility for active mappers in developing and least developed countries to be eligible for fee waiver and be reimbursed be known up-stream of the election process, a significant amount of mappers (at least from Haiti and Africa) would have joined.<div dir="auto">The 15£ yearly contribution being way too much for their level of resources. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Reflecting upon diversity of OSMF membership, now that this info is known when it's no longer possible to sign for membership, can we pause and assess teh relevance/feasibility of shifting teh election process of a week and give time for this information to spread and OSMF to have a more diverse and geographically more widespread membership ? Can this be put as a talk item for the OSMF board meeting ? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks, </div><div dir="auto">Nicolas</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 15 nov. 2018 à 15:36, Mikel Maron <<a href="mailto:mikel.maron@gmail.com">mikel.maron@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_3021634402010113107ydp9d466141yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div><div><font size="3">Very good to note that people can simply apply for a waiver now. The resolution states<br></font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">> <span style="font-family:osmftext,sans-serif">In order to be eligible for the membership fee waiver, the applicant may be required to contribute something else of value (e.g: time, …) to the Foundation, for example write a paragraph on mapping in their region</span></font></div><div><span style="font-family:osmftext,sans-serif"><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:osmftext,sans-serif"><font size="3">So if this holds, an interested potential member emails the board (<a href="mailto:board@osmfoundation.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">board@osmfoundation.org</a>) and MWG (<a href="mailto:mwg@osmfoundation.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mwg@osmfoundation.org</a>), with the details required for associate membership (name, OSM id, country) and a paragraph describing their need and some details on their contribution to OSM, we'll need to vote on it. </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:osmftext,sans-serif"><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:osmftext,sans-serif"><font size="3">We'll be discussing this in the OSMF Board meeting later today.</font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:osmftext,sans-serif"><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:osmftext,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><font size="3">On a more systematic solution. I joined the Board a year after the 2014 resolution, and have not seen any requests for a fee waiver in that time (well before this thread started yesterday). I've been a strong proponent of addressing the fee waiver, and Joost's telling is accurate -- there's simply been too little volunteer help available. The Foundation welcomes more -- I think this could be sorted out with a short amount of determined work by just a couple people. Please consider it.</font></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(30,32,33);font-family:osmftext,sans-serif"><span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><font size="3"><br></font></span></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(30,32,33);font-family:osmftext,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><font size="3">-Mikel</font></span></span></div><div style="font-size:16px"><span style="color:rgb(30,32,33);font-family:osmftext,sans-serif;font-size:16.52px"><span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></span></span></div><div class="m_3021634402010113107ydp9d466141signature" style="font-size:16px">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div></div>
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On Thursday, November 15, 2018, 1:53:12 AM EST, Simon Poole <<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">simon@poole.ch</a>> wrote:
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<p>Only the board would know (and I don't remember seeing anything
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<div class="m_3021634402010113107yiv4416930892moz-cite-prefix">Am 14.11.2018 um 23:53 schrieb Rob
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, 22:20 Simon Poole <<a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>
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<p>Forgetting all about making it easy and so on, there is
currently IMHO no reason a potential member couldn't apply
for a waiver, it would simply need to be decided on a case
by case base.</p>
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<div>I can't give an account for the first
three years, but I can share my perspective about
the last. I specifically joined the MWG a year ago
to help push forward the waiver fee program.</div>
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<div>Over the last year, most of the
volunteer time has gone to keeping the engine
running. There were deep problems with the
management software for membership (civicrm), which
made it easy to lose members. There was a weird
problem with reminders about lapsing membership.
Since we do not have a self service area, people
depend on these reminders. It was a hard problem to
fix, which involved a lot of cooperation between
people, as well as a lot if discussion about whether
or not to hire consultancy to fix it; or even to
make sure they could actually work if hired. </div>
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<div>At all the meetings I attended, I
brought up the waiver fee. There always seemed to be
new barriers to just start with it. A form, a
procedure, default lettres, membership classes.
Since the meetings were rather spread out, you also
lose time with bringing back to mind all the
details. Since a lot of the work required knowledge
about the inner workings of the software, there
wasn't a lot of work I could do as a not so
technical newbie. When there were things I could do
myself, my own time constraints came in the way - as
well as recently finding out a lot of thinking work
we did together was lost because we used an exotic
open source tool that disappeared from the
internet. </div>
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<div>So my analysis if the last year would
be: too little volunteers to do the actual work, and
a lack of efficient workflows. </div>
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<div>IIRC we did get several board checkups
on the waiver fee and the occasional call to think
bigger.</div>
<div>I don't think there is anyone to
blame, except maybe if you start looking for the
root causes of our lack of volunteers. Since I don't
want to turn this into my position statement for the
Board elections, I'll hold that thought for now. I
will say that this experience is what led me to try
and revive the local chapters group as a community
building group. This group would try to work in and
with the other working groups to support and push
relevant projects forward. Unfortunately that try
has not really resulted in much just yet.</div>
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<div>All the best, </div>
<div>Joost </div>
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