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<p>A couple of relevant points:</p>
<p>- prior to the the 2013 AoA revision the board should have
accepted every membership application individually, there was
-legally- no automatic acceptance and there is nothing in the
board minutes indicating that the board ever accepted anybody as a
member. And yes somebody with bad will at the time could have
argued that the OSMF had no other members that the original
handful (with lots of interesting consequences). Definitely prior
boards didn't spend a lot of time thinking about their legal
obligations and addressing issues related to membership.</p>
<p>- when the board proposed revised AoAs in 2013 we on purpose
changed the model to one with automatic acceptance in which the
board can intervene within one week if there is reason to believe
that a membership application is not in good faith. We put this in
place so that situations like the one under discussion could still
be addressed, without having to approve every single application
at the same time.</p>
<p>- in the case at hand the board decided not to exercise the
rights we gave it with the 2013 AoAs. That doesn't mean the
process itself is broken, as I pointed out earlier, it was
completely clear that the danger of mass signups to gain control
of the foundation was a possibility, and we gave the board the
right to intervene to combat exactly that.</p>
<p>All that said, I don't believe that there is any real way we can
address this outside of getting in the 10s of thousands of
contributors as members, and the board actually exercising the
rights we've provided it with.</p>
<p>Simon</p>
<p>PS: no, changing to a self-elected cabal model a la HOT is not a
solution.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02.02.2019 18:41, Mikel Maron wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
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few references to the situation with mass sign up
situation Skobbler back in 2011, when I was previously
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<div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
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Mikel, who was on the board then too, can maybe
remember?</span></div>
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Skobbler situation was much more straightforward
in that everything about it was known to the Board
up front. One Board Member worked for Skobbler,
and had tried to openly pay en mass for those sign
ups directly to the Membership Secretary</span><span
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had the MWG, this was a board position). It was
heated and messy, but everyone on the Board
quickly agreed that mass sign ups are not the
intention of membership. The membership payment
was withdrawn, and the OSMF notified the
membership within one day of it being raised as a
Board issue.</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3">I checked my email and this was my
initial response. I still stick by this view today.</font></div>
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size="3">> </font></span><span
style="font-size: medium;">I think a collective sign
up or renewal is a problem. That's what a
corporate/organizational membership would be for. </span><span
style="font-size: medium;">Why not sign up as
individuals? If they each really really want this,
they'll go to the small bother of registering as
individuals. I don't care who ultimately pays for
it. Their company can encourage them. But it really
should be an individual decision. </span><span
style="font-size: medium;">The whole point of
memberships process is to have a small barrier, so
they really do want to be a part. Otherwise, it
would be just as simple as signing up for an osm.org
account.</span></div>
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<div><font size="3">And here's an interesting note from
SteveC from the time.</font></div>
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I can see an arms race with companies signing
everyone up. CloudMade, skobbler. What if someone
with 100 employees does this? Or 1,000? It doesn't
work going forward. What if I signed up the 10,000
people from bing mobile, or 300 people in maps</span><span
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know the figures, but you get the point).</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3">We've known the membership model in
OSMF was not perfect the first day we opened
membership in 2006 for 5 GBP. <span style="color:
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sans-serif;">This was 2006 -- osm.org was a wildly
ambitious but absurd and not really functional
idea by a very small collection of folks mainly in
the UK and northern Europe. </span>We knew on that
very day that it was vulnerable and not going to be
adequate in the future for our governance. But we
did the simplest thing at the time. This governance
model worked remarkably well for all its haphazard
weakness. </font></div>
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<div><font size="3">13 years on, it's time to figure out
what kind of governance we need for a project of
global scope and world changing impact.</font></div>
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