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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Mine, too (Saturday,
that is), collecting ground-level imagery in Yangala and
Gokdepe, Turkmenistan, and exploring some new construction that
may or may not ever be occupied. But never mind that.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">As for the Crimea
issue, the board has ruled, and now it needs to communicate to
the membership why it has ruled the way it has. We elected the
board. It is making hard decisions on our behalf and for the
benefit of the community. That's the way representative bodies
operate. Let's move on and get back to mapping. <br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Warm regards to all
from chilly Ashgabat, and many thanks to the board members.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">apm-wa<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/4/2019 7:54 PM, manfred wrote:<br>
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<p>Dear Heather, all,<br>
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<p>I don't understand why there are still discussions within the
board about Crimea.<br>
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1. when the decision was made (then), there was a certain set of
parameters on which the board based its decision. They took
place before the decision, didn't they?<br>
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2 Why is it now so difficult to communicate this decision with
the underlying requirements? <br>
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The decision has been made. The only thing missing is the
communication as to why it was (then) so decided.<br>
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I can tell you how (almost) my entire Saturday looked like.
Voluntary work for OSM ;-)<br>
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<p>Ich verstehe nicht, warum es in Sachen Krim noch Diskussionen
innerhalb des Boards gibt. Die haben doch wohl vor der
Entscheidung stattgefunden, oder?</p>
<p>1. Als die Entscheidung (damals) gefallen ist, gab es einen
bestimmten Satz an Parametern, aufgrund dessen das Board
entschieden hat. <br>
2. Warum ist es jetzt so schwer, diese Entscheidung mit den
zugrunde liegenden Voraussetzungen zu kommunizieren? <br>
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<p>Die Entscheidung ist doch gefallen. Einzig es fehlt die
Kommunikation, warum sie (damals) so gefallen ist.</p>
<p>Ich kann Dir gerne sagen, wie (fast) mein gesamter Samstag
ausgesehen hat. Freiwillige Arbeit für OSM. ;-)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.02.19 um 14:28 schrieb Heather
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<div>Martin, thank you. As mentioned, I am working on that
internal deadline. The draft is currently under review. <br>
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<div>How was your Saturday morning? Mine was writing and
reviewing these drafts on Crimea and other topics. I warmly
remind you that consensus building does take time. We are
very much making every effort to meet the need. <br>
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Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson <br>
Blog: <a href="http://textontechs.com"
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mo., 28. Jan.
2019 um 18:33Â Uhr schrieb Heather Leson <<a
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<div>Dear Martin and Colleagues, <br>
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<div>Since December, the Board has attempted to
draft a public response. We are still
discussing. I provided an update in the
board meeting of January 17, 2019 - <a
href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2019-01-17"
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<div>Since that time, I have tried again to get
agreement from the Board on the full details.
We have a new board and there is much
discussion about the text. <br>
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<div>I will try again tomorrow night to rewrite
it and ask for permission to share from the
Board. Also, a quick note about the comments
in Weekly OSM. I am obliged to issue
statements on discussions when the Board
agrees to the content of the statements. <br>
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<div>Thank you, <br>
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<div>Dear Heather, dear Board,<br>
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<div>thank you for the update. I understand you are all
volunteers and there are also other pressing issues at
the moment. Still it is now a lot of time that has
passed since Nov. 17 / Dec. 10, 2018, and we are in a
kind of limbo, because the board, in apparent conflict
with its own disputed-territories policy [1], reversed
the Data Working Group decision just a few days before
the 2018 board elections, but so far did not provide
any kind of explanation or new policy to replace the
former one.</div>
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<div>While it already felt quite strange on Dec. 10 that
you just proclaimed the annulation of the well-founded
DWG decision without providing any kind of
explanations or motivations, it is now alarming that
there are still no explanations. While we do not have
many general rules with regard to mapping, the
on-the-ground rule was certainly for many years the
guiding principle and foundation of every
"OpenStreetMapping", and assured us peace in problem
areas, so deviating from it would seem such a major
change of direction, that I could not believe my eyes
when I read it and no explanation was provided along.</div>
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<div>Frankly, the way it was done, just before the
upcoming elections of a new board, and without actually
bringing it to an end, would probably be considered
terrible political style, in the regions I am familiar
with.<br>
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<div>My suggestion to the board would be to set yourself a
deadline, until which you will try to reach consensus
within the new Board, and if you cannot come to a common
statement which supports the decision of the old Board,
you should reenact the DWG decision so we can get back
to normal operations.<br>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Martin<br>
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