<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp6401ca28yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3">Heya Manfred</font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3">Yea no problem by me with calling out data quality issues at mapathons. Other topics just seem one sided often, to me at least. </font><span style="font-family: Open Sans, sans-serif; font-size: medium;">I'm not interested in arguing over specific instances, so just to help with understanding my point of view...</span><font size="3"><span><div><br></div></span></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3">For instance, this from back in December has a length paragraph about HOT and OSMF. Yes there's a bit that states "<span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Open Sans, sans-serif;">For some OSMF members," </span></span>but what's missing is "For other OSMF members, this is something different entirely"</font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><a href="http://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/11173" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/11173</a><br></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3">Or this week, "<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Open Sans, sans-serif;">members asked their representatives for openness and transparency, which was met with some pushback", referencing a post by Heather which read to me about a different topic entirely.</span></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="3"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Open Sans, sans-serif;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Open Sans, sans-serif" size="3">Rihards asked for a specific case of defensiveness. I'm having trouble finding it, but I think I suggested a more "neutral" way of framing a WeeklyOSM item over a year ago, and I was accused of spying or something :)</font></div><div><font face="Open Sans, sans-serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div><font face="Open Sans, sans-serif" size="3">Mikel</font></div><div><font face="Open Sans, sans-serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div><br></div><div class="ydp6401ca28signature" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div></div>
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On Monday, February 18, 2019, 1:26:00 PM PST, manfred <ma.reiter@gmail.com> wrote:
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<p>one essential attitude is the responsibility for the quality of
the data. I can give you an example from #448. ;-) Maybe you
noticed that we opened our Content Management System OSMBC for
everyone some time ago. The following article was submitted and
ready for issue #448:</p>
"MSF (Doctors Without Borders) invites everyone to a Missing Maps
Mapathon in Berlin on 26 February 2019 from 19:00 to 21:45."<br clear="none">
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The article contains all necessary information and could have been
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"Since high-quality maps are essential to help people in crisis
areas, experienced mappers are invited to participate, and to train
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<div class="yiv5679280193moz-cite-prefix">Am 18.02.19 um 16:39 schrieb Mikel
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weeklyOSM</span>/Wochennotiz generally refrains from
personal opinions and political statements. <span class="yiv5679280193ydp2455c0eeyiv8932167436gmail-gr_ yiv5679280193ydp2455c0eeyiv8932167436gmail-gr_31 yiv5679280193ydp2455c0eeyiv8932167436gmail-gr-alert yiv5679280193ydp2455c0eeyiv8932167436gmail-gr_spell yiv5679280193ydp2455c0eeyiv8932167436gmail-gr_inline_cards yiv5679280193ydp2455c0eeyiv8932167436gmail-gr_disable_anim_appear yiv5679280193ydp2455c0eeyiv8932167436gmail-ContextualSpelling yiv5679280193ydp2455c0eeyiv8932167436gmail-ins-del yiv5679280193ydp2455c0eeyiv8932167436gmail-multiReplace" id="yiv5679280193ydp2455c0eeyiv8932167436gmail-31" style="">weeklyOSM</span>/Wochennotiz
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<div style=""><font size="3">Can WeeklyOSM explain its
"attitude"? I often find myself reading WeeklyOSM items
scratching my head over how it doesn't represent a few
people's personal opinions and priorities, especially when
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<div style=""><font size="3">Also, what is the best way for us
to point out issues with WeeklyOSM? I think WeeklyOSM is a
great resource, but everything we do can be better right?
When I've pointed things out in the past, the response has
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<div> On Thursday, February 14, 2019, 6:46:40 AM PST, Manfred
A. Reiter <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5679280193moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:ma.reiter@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ma.reiter@gmail.com"><ma.reiter@gmail.com></a> wrote: </div>
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14.02.19 um 01:10 <span class="yiv5679280193gmail-gr_ yiv5679280193gmail-gr_26 yiv5679280193gmail-gr-alert yiv5679280193gmail-gr_spell yiv5679280193gmail-gr_inline_cards yiv5679280193gmail-gr_disable_anim_appear yiv5679280193gmail-ContextualSpelling" id="yiv5679280193gmail-26">schrieb</span>
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<div>Just as an idea, I think an
absolutely fantastic regular update
on OSM things is the Weekly blog (<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.weeklyosm.eu/">http://www.weeklyosm.eu/</a>).
I'm not sure who manages it and if
it has any formal affiliation with
OSMF (the about links send me to
some seemingly unrelated websites),
but it does a wonderful job of
summarising discussions, technical
tips, news, and a lot of other
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<div>It's exactly the type of a
regular update that I think a <span class="yiv5679280193gmail-gr_ yiv5679280193gmail-gr_35 yiv5679280193gmail-gr-alert yiv5679280193gmail-gr_gramm yiv5679280193gmail-gr_inline_cards yiv5679280193gmail-gr_run_anim yiv5679280193gmail-Grammar yiv5679280193gmail-only-ins yiv5679280193gmail-replaceWithoutSep" id="yiv5679280193gmail-35">lot</span>
people who express increasing
interest in OSM by joining OSMF
would be interested in. Perhaps its
contents could be disseminated
through a mailing list with <span class="yiv5679280193gmail-gr_ yiv5679280193gmail-gr_27 yiv5679280193gmail-gr-alert yiv5679280193gmail-gr_spell yiv5679280193gmail-gr_inline_cards yiv5679280193gmail-gr_disable_anim_appear yiv5679280193gmail-ContextualSpelling yiv5679280193gmail-ins-del yiv5679280193gmail-multiReplace" id="yiv5679280193gmail-27">autosubscription</span>
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<p>We offer such a service ... see it on our
website: "Subscribe to <span class="yiv5679280193gmail-gr_ yiv5679280193gmail-gr_28 yiv5679280193gmail-gr-alert yiv5679280193gmail-gr_spell yiv5679280193gmail-gr_inline_cards yiv5679280193gmail-gr_disable_anim_appear yiv5679280193gmail-ContextualSpelling yiv5679280193gmail-ins-del yiv5679280193gmail-multiReplace" id="yiv5679280193gmail-28">weeklyOSM</span>
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is independent of all organizations and
companies. This applies to the OSMF, HOT,
FOSSGIS, local chapters ... and all <span class="yiv5679280193gmail-gr_ yiv5679280193gmail-gr_40 yiv5679280193gmail-gr-alert yiv5679280193gmail-gr_spell yiv5679280193gmail-gr_inline_cards yiv5679280193gmail-gr_run_anim yiv5679280193gmail-ContextualSpelling yiv5679280193gmail-multiReplace" id="yiv5679280193gmail-40">organisations</span>
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<p><span class="yiv5679280193gmail-m_-6411840389215534141post-message__text">We
see ourselves as a service of the community
for the community. Therefore the "about link"
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<p><span class="yiv5679280193gmail-m_-6411840389215534141post-message__text"><span class="yiv5679280193gmail-gr_ yiv5679280193gmail-gr_30 yiv5679280193gmail-gr-alert yiv5679280193gmail-gr_spell yiv5679280193gmail-gr_inline_cards yiv5679280193gmail-gr_disable_anim_appear yiv5679280193gmail-ContextualSpelling yiv5679280193gmail-ins-del yiv5679280193gmail-multiReplace" id="yiv5679280193gmail-30">weeklyOSM</span>/Wochennotiz
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