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Ah yes strategic working group. RIP<div><br></div><div>I helped start the SWG, and have had much the same feeling of not meeting its goals. However I recently looked back at the minutes, and what it did accomplish, and a fair bit did move. Was productive for a time. But yes, SWG did not solve the issue (if it is in fact an issue) of OSM being a glorious mess.</div><div><br></div><div>In any case, I encourage us to think creatively about where OSM is at and where to go. Let’s not snuff out any ideas before there’s a chance to let them breath.</div><div><br></div><div>Wolfgang has identified some root causes, and some good ideas of local group discussion percolating into in person gathering at SotM. Whether a WG is the best vehicle is indeed an open question. </div><div><br>Mikel</div><div><br></div><div><p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Thursday, May 16, 2019, 5:40 PM, Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch> wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail"><div dir="ltr">Once upon a time there was the "SWG" (Strategic Working Group) which at<br clear="none">least started off<br clear="none">(<a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/SWG_2011-08-05" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/SWG_2011-08-05</a>)<br clear="none">with similar goals as your suggested group. I don't think anybody would<br clear="none">claim that the SWG was an overwhelming success, any renewed effort would<br clear="none">have to make a good case why it would be different this time around and<br clear="none">why a WG is a good vehicle for such an undertaking.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Simon<br clear="none"><div class="yqt6894229506" id="yqtfd39596"><br clear="none">Am 16.05.2019 um 22:58 schrieb Wolfgang Zenker:<br clear="none">> Both in OSM (the community) and the OSMF (the membership association) we<br clear="none">> often see discussions that do not lead to any useful results. While this<br clear="none">> might be because the topic has strong arguments on multiple sides of the<br clear="none">> debate, at other times it might be because we (the community and the<br clear="none">> OSMF) have not really discussed how we want to operate, how we want to<br clear="none">> make decisions or if we should make decisions at all, what goals we<br clear="none">> share (if any), and who should be accountable to whom for what.<br clear="none">> Our current structures are as far as I see born out of ad-hoc decisions<br clear="none">> of what appeared appropriate or convenient at a time, or what was<br clear="none">> necessary for legal or technical reasons. It might well be that we want<br clear="none">> to continue with the structures we have now, or we might find that the<br clear="none">> structures we have are no longer a good fit for the OSM ecosystem of<br clear="none">> today. Whichever way we go should be an conscious decision, I think. <br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Not everyone will be interested in this of course, many will be content<br clear="none">> with just mapping their part of the world or developing software. But<br clear="none">> for those interested in going forward with ideas of how OSM and the OSMF<br clear="none">> are or should be organized, I suggest to start discussions in local user<br clear="none">> groups, on this or other mailing list and if sufficient interest exists,<br clear="none">> to meet at the next SOTM and start an "organization working group". The<br clear="none">> decision we would need to make for that is, what mandate to give to that<br clear="none">> working group and to whom it should be accountable and deliver its<br clear="none">> results.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Greetings,<br clear="none">> Wolfgang<br clear="none">> ( lyx @ osm )<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> osmf-talk mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk</a><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yqt6894229506" id="yqtfd65799">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">osmf-talk mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk</a><br clear="none"></div><blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div>
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