<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>ESRI is the first tiles that recreate OSM Standard look in vector, that is why it's more relevant. Given that ESRI is a gold corporate member of OSM Foundation, it may happen it chooses to donate rendering stack to the community, so we can get this next technological leap.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 1:32 PM Milo van der Linden <<a href="mailto:milo@dogodigi.net" target="_blank">milo@dogodigi.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I agree on the vector tiles, I do however think esri is getting to much credit when we say we are going to use their vector tiles. Mapnik tried to pioneer this field, followed by Mapbox, then the openmaptiles initiative started too and when esri saw the potential, they hopped on the wagon as well. It is my hope that the openstreetmap community, when moving to vector tiles, will adapt the most open standard available.<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_tiles" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_tiles</a> <a href="https://openmaptiles.org/about/" target="_blank">https://openmaptiles.org/about/</a> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op zo 14 jul. 2019 om 10:20 schreef Oleksiy Muzalyev <<a href="mailto:oleksiy.muzalyev@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">oleksiy.muzalyev@bluewin.ch</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_5536360761303903482gmail-m_6886730503242314128gmail-m_-7960147949062858759moz-cite-prefix">The real advantage and promise of the
vector tiles approach is the possibility to select a language of
the map. I did not find this feature on the ESRI map.<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_5536360761303903482gmail-m_6886730503242314128gmail-m_-7960147949062858759moz-cite-prefix">Langue selection would end the
"language editing wars", it would also make the map practicable
for tourists. For example, one wants the map of Beijing in, say,
Spanish, - here you are, select the Spanish language in the
drop-down list. But for this to work the tag: name:es=Pekín should
be present in the OSM database. <br>
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<div class="gmail-m_5536360761303903482gmail-m_6886730503242314128gmail-m_-7960147949062858759moz-cite-prefix">The geographical names differ even in
linguistically close languages. And it should be reflected in the
OSM database for the language selection to work well. I mean there
should be a big preparation process on the database editing
(mapping) side.<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_5536360761303903482gmail-m_6886730503242314128gmail-m_-7960147949062858759moz-cite-prefix">One more consideration, - the client
side rendering sounds like there is one client. But in fact it
means rendering in a browser, or even more correctly in a
rendering engine of a browser [1]. Rendering engines, or for
simplification JavaScript engines, are developed by web browser
vendors, and they differ here and there not only between vendors,
but between newer and older versions, and between operating
systems too. There are quite a few browsers: Firefox, Chrome,
Opera, Safari, Internet Explorer, and so on. <br>
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<div class="gmail-m_5536360761303903482gmail-m_6886730503242314128gmail-m_-7960147949062858759moz-cite-prefix">It means that our vector layer should
work not in one or two, but in all of them, on all operating
systems. What is not a trivial task at all, since client side
rendering depends even more on multiple ever-changing browsers, as
opposite to the current server side rendering, where all the heavy
lifting is done on a single server, which is under control of the
OSM community.<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_5536360761303903482gmail-m_6886730503242314128gmail-m_-7960147949062858759moz-cite-prefix">[1]
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<div class="gmail-m_5536360761303903482gmail-m_6886730503242314128gmail-m_-7960147949062858759moz-cite-prefix">Best regards,</div>
<div class="gmail-m_5536360761303903482gmail-m_6886730503242314128gmail-m_-7960147949062858759moz-cite-prefix">Oleksiy (Alex-7 @ OSM)<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_5536360761303903482gmail-m_6886730503242314128gmail-m_-7960147949062858759moz-cite-prefix">On 7/14/19 00:50, Clifford Snow wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 12:34 PM Milo van der
Linden <<a href="mailto:milo@dogodigi.net" target="_blank">milo@dogodigi.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Is there an invasion of esri fans?</div>
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<div>I don't think its so much being an ESRI fan but more the
hope that we migrate to vector tiles for <a href="http://osm.org" target="_blank">osm.org</a>.
ESRI is just showing us that it can be done. Vector tiles
can bring a lot of power and customization to the <a href="http://osm.org" target="_blank">osm.org</a>
site. However, getting to vector tiles will take a
concentrated effort from a group of volunteers. </div>
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<div>(While I have a strong desire that <a href="http://osm.org" target="_blank">osm.org</a>
be running vector tiles, I don't have the skills.)</div>
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<div>What we can do is</div>
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<div>1. call for volunteers that are willing to do the hard
work</div>
<div>2. give guidance to the volunteers</div>
<div>3. provide systems resources to enable them to develop
and test<br>
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