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<p><font face="Arial">Here's another example by Uber. They attribute
the tiles visibly, not OSM... how can we measure if it's 50%
OSM? we can't <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://movement.uber.com/cities?lang=en-US">https://movement.uber.com/cities?lang=en-US</a> test
in multiple cities around the world and compare side by side
with OSM. clearly more than 50%. Not to mention they mix all the
attribution no matter which city you are viewing.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Às 15:37 de 09/09/2019, Mateusz
Konieczny escreveu:<br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left">9 Aug 2019, 10:41 by
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:simon@poole.ch">simon@poole.ch</a>:<br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"> consolidate all attribution
guidance in to one document <br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left">Thanks for work on that!<br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left">Unfortunately proposed version
contains<br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left">major loophole that will be
deliberately<br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left">exploited by organisation like
Facebook<br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left">or Maps.me or Mapbox that
describe<br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left">OSM data as their own.<br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left">"<span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">If OpenStreetMap data accounts
for a minority (less than 50%) part of the visible map
rendering, attribution with other sources on a separate
page that is visible after user interaction is
acceptable."</span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">In basically any readable map
less that 50% of</span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">visible map rendering is using
OSM data</span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">or can be trivially modified to
do it.</span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">For example - claim that land
area is not</span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">from OSM data but default map
state</span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">or use alternative data for land
boundaries.</span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left">----<br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">Note that claim that this
companies* will </span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">use ridiculous loopholes is not
prediction,</span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">they are doing it already or
simply lying.</span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">Mapbox representative explicitly
claimed in</span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span class="highlight"
style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font"
style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size"
style="font-size:11pt">mail to me that hiding
attribution behind i</span></span></span></span></div>
<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color:
transparent;">buttons fulfills ODBL requirements.</span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color:
transparent;">FB and mapsme ignored multiple reports</span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color:
transparent;">about their attribution violation.</span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color:
transparent;">*and other, but in this cases I reported their</span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color:
transparent;">illegal use of work of OSM mappers and got</span><br>
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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color:
transparent;">ignored.</span><br>
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