<div dir="auto"><div>1) This is not a case on how to attribute, it's about lack of attribution at all. discussing what will happen does not except them of not attributing at all (in some cases as pointed out, some have been fixed). what makes no sense is them ignoring for one year to fix it and sets a bad example of citizen on how a corporate member of OSMF should behave. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">3)it's not a mobile app, it's Windows 10 app <a href="https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/facebook/9wzdncrfj2wl?activetab=pivot:overviewtab">https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/facebook/9wzdncrfj2wl?activetab=pivot:overviewtab</a></div><div dir="auto">Anyway I will update the screen caps later today pintpointing several cases that are still lacking attribution. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">A sexta, 11/10/2019, 01:05, Kathleen Lu <<a href="mailto:kathleen.lu@mapbox.com">kathleen.lu@mapbox.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>1) As has been well advertised on this list and in other places, LWG is currently discussing updating the attribution guidelines and held BoF sessions at SotM. Until that is done, there is not clear guidance on proper attribution, and you would be asking the Board (or a company) to take action based on something that is likely to change in the next few months, which IMO does not make sense. <br></div><div>2) The discussion of an icon evolved well beyond that initial post and went on for over a year. See the <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21769" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21769</a> and then later <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21847" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21847</a> for in-depth discussion of the (i)</div><div>3) You've repeatedly mentioned the OSM map attributed to HERE. As Martin noted, Facebook has updated many of their attributions recently, so please provide an updated screencapture, the name of the app, and instructions to replicate. While your videos are labeled (like most people I don't own and Windows phone, so I cannot reproduce) but your screenshots are not. Are these all from Windows phone apps?<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 4:16 AM Nuno Caldeira <<a href="mailto:nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I don't know if your screenshots are from the Facebook site. if you use the apps there's still lack of attribution. as you know I have asked the board, in June to terminate their license, which they have 30 days to fix after receiving the notice from the licensor or have their license permanently terminated (ODbL 9.4). sadly, 4 months later the board, still hasn't decided anything. it's sad we have a license that clearly mention what the licensor can do and zero action has been taken (it's public that I have requested Facebook in October 2018 to comply with the attribution, way before asking the licensor OSMF to terminate). one year is more than enough to fix it, we are not speaking of a small startup here. </div><div dir="auto">what's worst is that we are not only speaking of a OSM data user, they are actually corporate members of OSMF and should be good citizens as mentioned on <a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Corporate_Members" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Corporate_Members</a></div><div dir="auto">"We expect Corporate Members to conduct themselves as good citizens of the OpenStreetMap ecosystem, e.g. by complying with our attribution requirements (Licence and Legal FAQ), following good editing practice and adhering to the community's guidelines, such as the Licence/Community Guidelines and the Organised Editing Guidelines. "</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">here's a quote I sent to the board in July,with several attribution still not fixed. there's even OSM maps being attributed to HERE. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">quote:</div>Sadly not all interactive maps, map previews have attribution. i gathered a couple of evidence which i collected yesterday and share here, regarding Facebook website, windows app, android app, instagram app and Local app (all are from facebook or side companies). the examples can be seen here and i advise you check it yourself on your devices using their apps, websites and so on to see it <a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=1B5AF2i0Go5_jQfuoO26d5mfbi0XE-vg_" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://drive.google.com/open?id=1B5AF2i0Go5_jQfuoO26d5mfbi0XE-vg_</a></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">A quinta, 10/10/2019, 10:38, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Do., 10. Okt. 2019 um 10:52 Uhr schrieb Donal Hunt <<a href="mailto:donal.hunt@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">donal.hunt@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Can you provide some additional context for those of us who don't follow every step Facebook make?<div>Thanks!</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>these are some screenshots from a desktop computer showing their current attribution:</div><div><a href="https://postimg.cc/gallery/gp6amcsi/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://postimg.cc/gallery/gp6amcsi/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I believe it is important that there is "OpenStreetMap" on the map (particularly on the big map), as specified by our attribution guidelines and required by other global map providers like google, because nobody ever will click on the "i"<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Martin<br></div></div>
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