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<p>Am 01.11.2019 um 14:53 schrieb Christoph Hormann:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">But we are really drifting very far from the original subject here. The
whole discussion of what is formally permissible in which jurisdictions
is IMO massively besides the point for discussing the attribution
guideline - which should be what the OSM community (and to be clear i
am talking about the hobby mapper community here - not various
corporate and institutional lobbyists) expects from users of their work
under the ODbL in terms of attribution. </pre>
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<p>It is very true that we are very very far from the actual subject
at hand.</p>
<p>The fair use point just turned up to illustrate that there are
limits on what we can expect copyright to do for us (aka the
tweets from private individuals showing a map excerpt that Nuno
pointed to) and there is no point in getting upset over that there
are such limitations. <br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">And this does not have to and
should not align to what would be enforcable in a court of law in the
most lenient jurisdiction in that regard world wide.
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<p>The attribution guideline doesn't even reference the concept at
all (the ODbL does so in 6.0) , but in the discussion around the
use of OSM in media we did discuss if it even makes sense to try
and provide stricter guidance for news reporting as that will have
exceptions to copyright law in many legislations (for a non-US
example see <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/30"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/30</a>)
and if use of OSM in fixtures and similar in fictional productions
would be similar. We can naturally argue with a moral and ethical
requirement to provide attribution outside of legal founding, but
the difficulty is conveying this to community members in such a
way that it is clear that it will depend on the specifics if this
is "the law" or just a request on our behalf.</p>
<p>BTW non-staged screen shot from a couple minutes back from my
desktop showing two "unattributed uses" of OSM (right now there
are actually three):</p>
<p><img src="cid:part2.4BDA0B55.67B98A06@poole.ch" alt=""> </p>
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<p>None of these is intentional and all actually have attribution in
the non-cropped versions.<br>
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<p>Simon</p>
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Christoph Hormann
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