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Point taken. That said, nevertheless if OSM is not paying its
directors (which it is not, so far as I can tell), they are
volunteers, even if all OSM-related expenses are covered by the
employer. Further, the board members have a fiduciary
responsibility to OSMF, which is why resolving conflicts of interest
with employers is important. I will fall silent now and return to
unpacking moving boxes.<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
apm<br>
<br>
On 11/24/2019 9:38 AM, Simon Poole wrote:<br>
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> The elephant in the room that Steve was referring to is that there have been and are members of the board whose position is supported by their employer. For a great range of "supported" from actively encouraging standing, to it essentially being part of their employment. Somewhere in that continuum "volunteer" loses its meaning a bit.
>
> Simon
>
> Am 24.11.2019 um 13:09 schrieb Allan Mustard:
>> If OSM does not pay its board members, they are by definition volunteers.
>>
>> Speaking for myself, I cannot guarantee that in retirement I can afford on a government pension to pay out of pocket to attend SOTM conferences. The one thing I can offer is my time, on a voluntary basis.
>>
>> cheers,
>> apm
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 7:07 PM Steve Coast <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:steve@stevecoast.com">steve@stevecoast.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steve@stevecoast.com"><mailto:steve@stevecoast.com></a>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m confused why you think all board members are volunteers? That feels like a convenient fiction.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Steve
>> -------------------------
>> *From:* Jorden Verwer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jorden@verwer.express"><jorden@verwer.express></a>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 23, 2019 11:52:00 PM
>> *To:* Steve Coast <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:steve@stevecoast.com">steve@stevecoast.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steve@stevecoast.com"><mailto:steve@stevecoast.com></a>>
>> *Cc:* talk@openstreetmap org Talk <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org"><mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org></a>>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org"><mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org></a> <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org"><mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org></a>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Osmf-talk] SOTM Africa
>>
>> Hello Steve,
>>
>> It's good to hear that you had a nice time in Ivory Coast and that SOTM
>> Africa appears to have been a success. For me, as a passive OSMF member
>> who only attended SOTM once and rarely participates in discussions
>> outside of the AGM, I can only respect people who spend way more time on
>> OSM than I do - and that obviously includes you. I also think it's
>> generally a good idea for as many board members as possible to attend
>> SOTM conferences.
>>
>> What I'm not so sure I agree with you on is your proposal to make
>> attendance of at least one OSMF board member mandatory. The board
>> consists of volunteers, and for any board member there can be very valid
>> reasons why they can't or won't attend. As a consequence, this may apply
>> to all board members simultaneously in some situations. What would the
>> effect of your proposal be in such a situation? Can the planned SOTM
>> conference not take place then and there? Will the board be penalized?
>> Neither option seems to be all that desirable, so instead I'd propose
>> that OSMF board member attendance be highly recommended, but not
>> required.
>>
>> Oh, and I should probably not get involved in this, so against my better
>> judgment I'll quote the page Christoph linked to:
>> "We expect this to be the official election campaign process. We won't
>> restrict members to continue to talk on our members' mailing list nor
>> will we restrict candidates to continue discussions, but we don't
>> encourage them to do so. The official answers and questions thereof
>> should be what voters use to judge."
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jorden
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