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<p><font face="Arial">@Rihards Thanks. I will try to do that
documentation over the holidays.</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">@Phil Wyatt don't get me wrong, but adding
something there is useless. i added Facebook there over one year
ago. They don't have shame, no point to add companies there,
when there's sites and companies that been there for years
without real consequence. It's just a wiki page that most won't
ever acknowledge. <br>
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<p><font face="Arial">As an xmas bonus, here's another Facebook
company (via Mapbox), Snapchat that is using OSM without
attribution requirements (funnily there's plenty of space for a
reasonable and visible calculated mapbox logo and text). They
probably don't know, nor that they have been asked to comply
over a year ago, nor have agreed with the license in every
aspect of it when stated using OSM data, nor read Mapbox TOS, or
Mapbox been informed on these repeated offenders, nor read the
multiples reports in mailing lists, nor that they had a employee
that ran for OSMF board.<br>
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<p><font face="Arial"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://map.snapchat.com/">https://map.snapchat.com/</a></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">Let's continue to be hypocrites and pretend
nothing is going on for over a year with these two companies
that are corporate members of OSMF and should be the first ones
to give examples. Enough with excuses. <br>
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<p><font face="Arial">Happy holidays.</font></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Às 09:34 de 20/12/2019, Rihards
escreveu:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On 20.12.19 09:42, Nuno Caldeira wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">hi Pierre,
I have tried that route multiple times in twitter, they will ignore. as
they ignore emails (even if you CC <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:legal@osmfoundation.org">legal@osmfoundation.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:legal@osmfoundation.org"><mailto:legal@osmfoundation.org></a>), the license, the mailing list.
if you can read the attribution clearly here let me
know <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/iamnunocaldeira/status/1207927051669397504?s=19">https://twitter.com/iamnunocaldeira/status/1207927051669397504?s=19</a>
this is not manipulated or cropped, straight out of the app.
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Nuno, thank you for documenting the attribution concerns.
It is understandable that repeated problems are frustrating. We as OSM
contributors see so many of them, and by the hundredth case we perceive
them as repeat offenders.
I try to remind myself that absolute majority do not do this on purpose,
and that my perception should not connect a new case to all the previous
ones. It is harder than it might sound :)
Without diving into specifics of each case, it still seems important to
have clear documentation on major cases.
Have you had a chance to put together a dedicated wiki page about Facebook?
It has been repeated in email threads many times, but if a student came
around and wanted to put together a research about attribution,
copyright and whatnot - would they have an easy time getting a complete
picture of Facebook attitude towards OSM attribution?
It would be crucial for that page to be neutral and avoid accusations,
even when Occam's razor seems huge and shiny - pure facts would fit
there best.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, 00:14 Pierre Béland, <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr"><mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr></a>> wrote:
Hi Nuno,
How can we react positively suggesting to take care obout OSM
attribution ? This is an international media and we can benefit by
having a bit of fun.
Plus this is Christmas coming soon and we need to think positive !
You could make tweet to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/BBCTwo">https://twitter.com/BBCTwo</a> + using
OpenStreetMap logo image (add @OpenStreetMap as who is on the image)
+ url link to facebook article
saying
/Merry Christmas from the OpenStreetMap community Happy to /provide
accurate and detailed maps/ to news medias, governnments, research,
business, consumers, to respond to disasters, etc. Dont forget -
Our New Year Best Wishes to have more impact - OpenStreetMap
Contributors attribution :)/
/
/
Then you could invite OSM contributors on the discussion lists to
make it Viral by responding !
To show OSM diversity, I would be pleased to respond to the tweet.
/Bonne année, Pierre Béland, du Québec, Canada, fier de supporter
OpenStreetMap.
/
;)
Pierre
Le jeudi 19 décembre 2019 18 h 16 min 44 s UTC−5, Nuno Caldeira
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com">nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com"><mailto:nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com></a>>
a écrit :
here's another lovely example from BBC TWO using Strava (i can spot
the Mapbox logo, not the reasonable calculated ©OpenStreetMap
contributors). glad BBC attributed Google properly. they probably
aren't aware it's OpenStreetMap, if they can't read the attribution
on Strava
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.facebook.com/413132078795966/posts/2468472903261863/">https://www.facebook.com/413132078795966/posts/2468472903261863/</a>
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019, 18:59 Nuno Caldeira,
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com">nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com"><mailto:nunocapelocaldeira@gmail.com></a>>
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019, 18:05 Simon Poole, <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:simon@poole.ch">simon@poole.ch</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:simon@poole.ch"><mailto:simon@poole.ch></a>> wrote:
The fair use point just turned up to illustrate that there
are limits on what we can expect copyright to do for us (aka
the tweets from private individuals showing a map excerpt
that Nuno pointed to) and there is no point in getting upset
over that there are such limitations.
actually Simon those prints indivuals share on social media is
sent to their emails by the company (as someone pointed after
you writing). Strava sends emails of OSM basemap to their users
without attribution.
I been testing Strava app today and had a couple of laughts TB.
tYhere's even more interesting stuff we should take notice when
doing the attribution guidance. they use Google maps on their
android app, the routes they display clearly isn't from their
users (it's not GPS traces as it is impossible to have no
overlaping traces on mountain regions). I'm sure these routes
are from OSM and I'm gathering evidence from my contributions
that this is OSM data. I will get back to it when I get home and
record a video with clear evidence that it is impossible to be
their users GPS trace or Google Maps (as they do not have data
in that regions). That could only come from OSM and I'm sure as
I added that data and weekly monitor the editing and their
suggested routes sometimes overlap the same route as it
displayed different versions of OSM data during the years. --
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> Rihards
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