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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I've also commented in
Christoph's diary. <br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I think the discussion
is off to a good start, thanks in part to Christoph. I'll be
interested in reactions to my post to his diary. In that post I
also cited the Core Values on the Foundation wiki. <br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Regarding the "How We
Map" guidelines, they are fine but I have a strong sense they do
not go far enough, since they basically relate only to mapping,
and not to broader community interaction, or to the issues of
expanding our reach to the entire globe (which is an explicit
goal of the project, to create a map of the whole world, and
primarily to do that through local knowledge or "Ground
Truth".) We need some guidelines on interaction so people are
not turned off and leave the project; we need to attract more
contributors from more locations to the project!</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">@Tim Elrick, regarding
communication, I am astounded by the incredibly large number of
communications channels, and I agree with you that we need some
common understanding of what is appropriate and respectful.
That, however, is likely not to be enough to diversify our
contributor base. <br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">cheers,<br>
apm<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/31/2020 4:59 PM, Tim Elrick wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:3155ce4e-f63f-7081-9b4b-63217992e4c0@elrick.de">I would
agree that this topic needs a community discussion first and
should not be voted on by the OSMF board for the whole of OSM.
<br>
<br>
As Christoph and Mikel pointed out, we already have Wiki pages
dedicated to our values [1]. Diversity should be discussed within
there.
<br>
<br>
In terms of mapping, I feel pretty comfortable with what the OSM
community has come up with so far [2]. Diversity - however defined
- might already be in there. On a side note: I think, this
document gives good guides to many issues OSM is facing at the
moment (e.g. the heightened corporate interest in the project),
and we should refer to it more often.
<br>
<br>
I feel, what is still missing, is a discussion (and agreement?)
how we treat each other in our various forms of communication.
Differences in (cultural?) understanding of what an
appropriate/respectful way of communication is might hinder many
OSMappers to contribute in our discussions. If we manage to get
this solved, we might not need to discuss diversity separately.
<br>
<br>
Oh, and by the way, as a non-native English speaker I also feel
the wording about the dominating language should be different.
English is *at the moment* the working language, but it is just a
*working* language, hence, native speakers should take this in
consideration at all times when communicating on any of our
channels.
<br>
<br>
Just my two cents here,
<br>
Tim
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+++
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@OSM: AGeographer
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[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Core_Values">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Core_Values</a>
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[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_We_Map">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_We_Map</a>
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On 2020-01-31 10:16, Mikel Maron, OSM wrote:
<br>
Thanks Christoph, you've given us a lot to think about. While I
don't
<br>
think your points substantiate the idea that OSMF is on the
precipice of
<br>
becoming an illegitimate, dominating force ... I do think you
bring up a
<br>
number of good specific points about the text we should consider
and
<br>
would improve it. I'll comment on the diary.
<br>
<br>
-Mikel
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* Mikel Maron *Â +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
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On Friday, January 31, 2020, 08:50:08 AM EST, Christoph Hormann
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chris_hormann@gmx.de"><chris_hormann@gmx.de></a> wrote:
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On Thursday 30 January 2020, Christoph Hormann wrote:
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> [...] Ich werde jetzt, da
<br>
> der Vorstand diesen Text als Grundwerte-Dokument der OSMF
angenommen
<br>
> hat (wobei mir nicht ganz klar ist, ob diese Ă¼ber der
OSMF-Mission
<br>
> stehen oder ihr untergeordnet sind - in beiden Fällen gibt
es da
<br>
> gewisse Konflikte) diesen sicherlich tiefergehender
analysieren.
<br>
<br>
Ich hab das jetzt mal getan und darĂ¼ber geschrieben:
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/imagico/diary/392072">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/imagico/diary/392072</a>
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