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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 05.05.2020 um 11:39 schrieb Craig
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Re Simon comment:</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sorry, I must have missed something.
We should discuss. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The translation is a bit opaque, but
I read in Article 5 that:</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">a) full voting membership is
available to an active OSM contributor, subject to an
introduction by an existing active member and approval by the
board. <br>
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<p>That is the point, self-selection of members clearly does not
fulfil the requirement of a democratically organised organisation
open to all.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">b) there will be an associate
("adherent") non-voting membership for those who do not meet the
above criteria.</div>
<p>It excludes legal minors, but any adult is unconditionally
eligible for at least one of the two classes of member. It seems
quite similar to OSMF. I regard it as fitting the criterion for
easy mass membership.<br>
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<p>It excludes everybody that is not already a "friend" of an
existing member.</p>
<p>Now there may be some legal restrictions that require two tiers
of membership and slightly different voting rights (the best
example of this is the OSMF itself) however the rationale behind
the structure is not given in any of the documents that accompany
the application.</p>
<p>If the "cabal" structure is legally required there are still ways
to address this, for example the LC agreement could require the
organisation to provide a "proxy member" that will recommend all
applications to the board, or a similar fudge that can be
enshrined in the agreement. <br>
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<p>But as said, I don't understand why this wasn't addressed by the
LCCWG before it got here. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I don't have anything to do with HOT
so can't comment on the window dressing aspect. Please
explain... <br>
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<p>The non-voting membership tier (HOT doesn't have that).</p>
<p>Simon<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">regards</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Craig</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020/05/05 10:26, Simon Poole
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 05.05.2020 um 07:48 schrieb
Craig Allan:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello All,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Checklist:</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">1. Non-profit entity</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">2. easy mass membership etc. <br>
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<p>You must be reading a different document than I am. The major
problem with the application is that their AoAs don't allow
for this, instead it uses a HoT like model with some window
dressing.<br>
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<p>I'm actually surprised that the LCCWG allowed the application
to move forward to this stage without having the obvious issue
addressed.<br>
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<p>Simon<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">3. dedicated to OSMF and OSM
project.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think the articles of
association/registration documents are compliant with the
requirements. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The office bearers I have googled
seem to be GIS professionals of one sort or another, giving
the chapter good intellectual capital. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'd like to have had access to
their OSM contributor user names, but it's not (currently)
in the requirements. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The application is complete,
meets the requirements, there are no obvious areas of
concern.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">APPROVED</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Craig Allan <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020/05/04 21:59, Joost
Schouppe [OSMF secretary] wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p><br>
You may be aware that <b>Geolibres</b> has applied to
become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap
Foundation. As part of the application process, we would
like to ask you, <b> the OSMF membership</b> how you
feel about this. Do you support this application? Do you
have any questions, comments or concerns?</p>
<p> You can find all the information about this Local
Chapter application on the OSMF website: <a
href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Argentina"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Argentina</a>
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<p><br>
We will close this round of discussion two weeks from
now (May 4th +14 days).<br>
You can reply here or send a message to board at <a
href="http://osmfoundation.org" moz-do-not-send="true">osmfoundation.org</a><br>
I am looking forward to hearing your responses.<br>
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<p>Thank you to the <b>Geolibres</b> team for this
submission. </p>
<div> All the best,</div>
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