<div dir="ltr"><div>Hello everyone.<br>We have talked in the argentine community about your doubts about the method of joining the Geolibres association.<br>Here's an explanation we found more complete to give you a better understanding of how it works.</div><div><br></div><div>To be part of the OSM Argentina community, nothing is needed, it is free and open to all participation. <br></div><div>To be part of Geolibres, which works towards having the legal and financial elements so that the community can hold events, receive financing, etc. you must be a member, the members pay a fee (which finances legal and accounting expenses) and must be approved by the board of directors. <br></div><div>There are two types of members, adherent and active, since the active can be a member of the directive commission (that is chosen by elections every three years), the endorsement of another active member is needed to vote it. This is so a little for the bureaucracy in Argentina and a little to protect the board of directors, given that it manages the funds of at least 3 communities and we do not want it to be exposed. It is important for the constitution of the local chapter to understand that on the one hand there is the community that represents it and on the other the bureaucratic support so that it can operate.</div><div><br></div><div>Taking into account that the OSM community is very informal and that Geolibres arises in part from members of OSM Argentina, we present the Civil Association as representative of the Local Chapter so that there are responsible and structure to which the OSMF can refer in case of need it.</div><div><br></div><span class="gmail-tlid-translation gmail-translation" lang="en"><span title="">We also see that another question you have is the level of representativeness of the OSM community in the Geolibres directory.</span> <span title="">About this, it is important to say that Geolibres was founded by members of the three communities, its reason for existing is largely the achievement of the objectives of the OpenStreetMap community in Argentina, the same happens with the other two communities of course.</span> <span title="" class="gmail-">The Geolibres board is currently made up of 4 'OSM' people out of 6, and we are still on the path to integrate more members of the OSM community.</span></span><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail-tlid-translation gmail-translation" lang="en"><span title="" class="gmail-">We understand your concern, but it is the most democratic form we were able to adopt under local regulations for civil associations.</span> <span title="" class="gmail-">Also, as far as we know OSMF works in a similar way.</span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-tlid-translation gmail-translation" lang="en"><span title="" class="gmail-"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-tlid-translation gmail-translation" lang="en"><span title="" class="gmail-">Hoping to have been able to clarify these doubts, we greet you and invite the members of this conversation to contact us personally to clear any doubts.<br>Our wish is to be able to strengthen the project and to be able to offer a representation of the OSM Foundation at the local level, which we believe can be very positive.</span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-tlid-translation gmail-translation" lang="en"><span title="" class="gmail-"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-tlid-translation gmail-translation" lang="en"><span title="" class="gmail-">Best regards,</span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-tlid-translation gmail-translation" lang="en"><span title="" class="gmail-">Gonzalo Gabriel Perez (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Zalitoar">Zalitoar</a>)<br></span></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mar., 5 de may. de 2020 a la(s) 16:14, Simon Poole (<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch">simon@poole.ch</a>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I'm not aware of any of the existing LCs having any preconditions for applying for membership. If there is one, the OSNF board should undertake to rectify the situation. <br><br>Nearly all, including the OSMF, require some formal action, or lack of it, for the membership to become effective (typically also requiring any membership fees to be paid). While that is not totally uncontroversial, see the UK LC application, it can be argued that giving the association a last ditch, emergency stop facility is a reasonable thing. It is in no way comparable to an additional formal discriminatory precondition for membership.<br><br>And no, this is not moving the goal posts at all. Before even the current LC scheme was enacted It was clear and discussed in depth that it would not work for organisations with such membership schemes, in particular HOT.<br><br>Simon<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 5. Mai 2020 17:42:04 MESZ schrieb Rory McCann <<a href="mailto:rory.mccann@osmfoundation.org" target="_blank">rory.mccann@osmfoundation.org</a>>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<pre>On 05/05/2020 16:59, Christoph Hormann wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex">there is AFAIK none that practically restricts new memberships in a<br>similar fashion.<br></blockquote><br>Are you sure? I looked into this as part of this application. IIRC 7 of <br>the 8 existing LCs have “the board must approve, or may reject, new <br>member applications”. OSMF too.<br><br>In theory ”An existing member must nominate you” in addition to ”the <br>board must approve you” are different rules. But if all the existing <br>members of an org refuse to support you, then the board will definitely <br>reject you! If a board doesn't like someone, then they can keep them out.<br><br>In *pratice* does the additionally “one member must approve you” rule <br>really change much, when like most LCs, the board can reject people? If <br>someone would be approved by a board, then surely a board member can <br>approve them? HOT is different because each existing member can only <br>approve 2 applications per year, and 2/3 of existing members must <br>approve you¹<br><br>I too like mass democratic organisations, but this limitation hasn't <br>been a problem for LCs in the past.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex">It seems quite inefficient to have a public local chapters application<br>review process without documentation of the review and discussion that<br>already happened non-publicly within the OSMF being available to the<br>members.<br></blockquote><br>I threw away the piece of paper with the scribbles, listing section <br>numbers of existing LCs. To require everyone to produce detailed written <br>notes of everything will drown me in paperwork, and make everything <br>*much* more inefficient.<br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit Kaiten Mail gesendet.</div>_______________________________________________<br>
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