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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I agree John – some tagging is regional but I think the ID editor (and maybe others) have the ability to show regional tags so again this should be part of a centralised tag repository that is easy to use and maintain (by the OSM community, not developers). If we, the OSM community, cant agree on tagging then we should not pass that responsibility on to developers to try and resolve.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers - Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> john whelan <jwhelan0112@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 9 June 2020 9:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Phil Wyatt <phil@wyatt-family.com><br><b>Cc:</b> allan@iafrica.com; OSMF Talk <osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Osmf-talk] Toward resolution of controversies related to iD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is a problem in that currently different regions tag differently.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is another problem, who is the authority? The single vocal mapper or the more silent ones who just map?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The first step might be to list the tagging standards we agree on and I suspect there will be fewer members of this group than you might expect.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheerio John<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 19:26 Phil Wyatt <<a href="mailto:phil@wyatt-family.com">phil@wyatt-family.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I would also support point 2 of Craigs email – a formal curation process for tags. It seems to me this is the biggest issue that seems to cause angst to some OSM users and, depending on its implementation, could also be used by any editing software. I also think it could be extended to include how tags would be validated. This would mean that developers could concentrate on the actual interface more so than dealing with squabbles about which tagging/validation is correct. OSMF should ‘own’ the tagging system and the developers just do the implementation of that ‘certified agreed system’.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As a user, the hardest thing is to find a central definitive list of ‘approved tags’ and how they should be used.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers - Phil<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Craig Allan <<a href="mailto:allan@iafrica.com" target="_blank">allan@iafrica.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 9 June 2020 6:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Osmf-talk] Toward resolution of controversies related to iD</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Chair and Members,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1: A multi-purpose appeal process is a useful suggestion. I'd suggest it follows an escalating conflict resolution process, for example: mediation first, arbitration second and thirdly some limited appeal to higher authority. It would be a service to the contesting parties, not a quasi-judicial body. I'd also suggest that the conflict resolution service should be made a formal, well specified function of a committee of the OSMF on the grounds that if it is not someone's job then nobody will do it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>2: A formal curation process for tags would be very welcome. I think the exploratory approach of 'any tags you like' has worked, but now has had its day. The issues with iD are largely an outcome of this problem. The next phase is to put in place a formal specification for tags serviced by a proper process to manage tag create-amend-delete events. I predict that editor and renderer developers will weep with joy if this is passed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>3: I don't think OSMF as a body should be making recommendations to the iD team in a public report. Not that the recommendations are not good, it is just that the approach seems a bit heavy handed in a peer to peer situation. I believe we should regard the report as a position paper, not as an instruction, and rewrite it as such. I do understand that there have already been consultations with the iD team and they have seen the document in its current form so this comment may be a bit late and possibly ill-informed..<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>best regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Craig ALLAN<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(OSM: cRaIgalLAn)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 2020/06/05 23:46, Allan Mustard wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Dear OSMF Members,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Please find attached a request for comment on possible approaches to resolving controversies related to upgrades to and modifications of the iD editor. Please send back any responses via this mailing list.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Allan Mustard<br>Chairperson, OSMF Board of Directors</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>osmf-talk mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>osmf-talk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>