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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 11:32:58 +0100
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ndrw6@redhazel.co.uk">ndrw6@redhazel.co.uk</a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Toward resolution of controversies related to iD
Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ef16dc43-f81b-f378-482e-2ce3c50aaab6@redhazel.co.uk"><ef16dc43-f81b-f378-482e-2ce3c50aaab6@redhazel.co.uk></a>
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I believe ndrw6 has misunderstood much of the RFC.<br>
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To me, OSMF wants the control of a project it hasn't developed but
turned out too successful to ignore, and to add insult to injury you are
asking the author to keep working on it by committing patches he
disagrees with.
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No, OSMF wants an end to the controversy, not control. Please
re-read the first two lines in the RFC:</p>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I see several problems with it:
- It's deeply unethical. OSMF should foster the development of the OSM ecosystem, not harass people working on it. How does this fit OSMF own charter and CoC?</pre>
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The OSMF is not harassing anyone. In fact, this RFC was written
in consultation with iD developers. It fits into the OSMF's
charter to support the project,
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!important; float: none;">(1) encouraging the growth,
development and distribution of free geospatial data; <br>
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I do not understand your accusation that the proposal is "deeply
unethical". Can you please explain what is unethical about it?<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">- Taking control from the original authors would slow down, if not stall, the development of iD.</pre>
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Please re-read this passage from the RFC:</p>
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expertise ad hoc to
determine the best path forward for the community. Software
projects could
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Control would remain with the authors, but the authors would have
the option of requesting ("could opt-in") an appeal process to
reduce conflict and resolve disputes.
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">- Giving the control to a committee would steer the development in a different direction (as in: "different from the current, good direction"). At very least it would give an excuse for rejected ideas to be pushed again.</pre>
</blockquote>
See the previous point. A committee would not "control" the
project. It would adjudicate disputes on request. Further it
would draw "on expertise ad hoc", meaning the composition of those
involved would change, depending on the type of expertise needed.
For example, a dispute over a particular tag might involve seeking
expertise from individuals familiar with a particular industry.
As for rejected ideas, since the developers are the ones deciding
whether to "opt-in", that isn't really a concern.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">
Frankly, I would rather have iD hosted elsewhere and being developed further to the benefit of a broader OSM community.</pre>
</blockquote>
I don't understand this point.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Better yet, talk to each other and come up with a workable plan. </pre>
</blockquote>
That's what we are doing right now. This RFC is a "request for
comment" :-)<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">OSMF proposal is very one-sided and disproportional, what is <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>OSMF<span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> willing to compromise on to improve cooperation?</pre>
</blockquote>
I don't see your point here. OSMF is proposing either to create
an independent body to adjudicate disputes, if if one is willing,
to ask an existing body to adjudicate disputes. OSMF itself will
not control that body or its decisions, i.e., once created, it
will be out of the OSMF's control. What more could the OSMF give
up as part of a compromise?
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Bye
Ndrw
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</blockquote>
cheers,<br>
apm<br>
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