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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 14.08.2020 um 07:27 schrieb Rory
McCann:<br>
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cite="mid:4bc96b6b-4841-9e6c-6f5a-d277588b12da@osmfoundation.org">4
of the 7 board members are from, and live in, the EU. 🙂 We're not
totally ignorant of that.
<br>
<br>
Regardless, I'm sure we don't want to be horrible employers who
want to fire people at the drop of a hat, like some US-style
“at-will” employer.
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<p>No to mention that in practice the US is not so homogenous as
presented and certain other aspects that become relevant once the
employer has deep enough pockets (to be sued).</p>
<p>The actual complex aspect in the end is going to be cross border
remote employment, assuming the OSMF is not going to move
everybody they are going to employ to the UK<br>
</p>
<p>Simon, living in a European country with some of the most liberal
(not the US meaning of the word) employment regulations<br>
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cite="mid:4bc96b6b-4841-9e6c-6f5a-d277588b12da@osmfoundation.org">
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On 13/08/2020 22:28, Mateusz Konieczny via osmf-talk wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">See mail by Steve Coast:
<br>
<br>
"In parts of the EU it’s near-impossible to fire someone and can
easily take 6-12 months and an enormous legal effort."
<br>
<br>
13 Aug 2020, 22:14 by <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org">osmf-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>:
<br>
<br>
Hiring someone for a permanent position.
<br>
<br>
Firing a worker in Europe is extremely
<br>
hard compared to USA, in some cases
<br>
is not allowed to fire worker(s).
<br>
<br>
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13 Aug 2020, 21:35 by <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:allan@mustard.net">allan@mustard.net</a>:
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<br>
Andy, et al, out of the issues we are discussing in this
<br>
proposal, what decisions would be irreversible?
<br>
<br>
The Board and those community members who have responded
are
<br>
well aware of some risks, and the questions before us
are to
<br>
determine the risks, assess those risks, seek
mitigations for
<br>
the risks we can possibly mitigate, and build safeguards
around
<br>
all the risks we can identify. If there are specific
risks that
<br>
worry you, or that you think we have missed, please
spell them
<br>
out explicitly--please don't just accuse me of a lack of
<br>
awareness without telling me of what I am unaware.
<br>
<br>
Among the risks I worry about are loss of our two
sysadmins,
<br>
which would leave us with none; loss of our maintainer
of the
<br>
default editor; system failure due to inability to grow
to meet
<br>
demand, which would likely lead to a project fork by
companies
<br>
who at this point need our data; and control of
programmers and
<br>
developers by third parties rather than the community
and the
<br>
Foundation that represents the community's interests.
I, at
<br>
least, do not consider risks such as these to be
trivial.
<br>
<br>
cheers,
<br>
apm
<br>
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On 8/13/2020 4:56 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite"> On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 00:31,
Allan Mustard<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:allan@mustard.net"><allan@mustard.net></a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:allan@mustard.net"><mailto:allan@mustard.net></a> wrote:
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<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> OSMF won't fail, simply
because the "worst-case" scenario is reversion to the 100%
do-ocracy of volunteers, which has its drawbacks but is
doable, has been sustainable for nearly 16 years, and is
very low cost. That particular downside risk is very small,
as in very close to zero. The question is whether there are
improvements to the platform within our reach, for which
funds could be raised, that would not undermine the
volunteer spirit of the OSM community and thereby to
endanger the project. The Board is listening to all voices,
not only the loudest, and we encourage all with information
and perspectives to share, to speak up.
<br>
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I'm unfortunately not reassured by your comment. If
the head of the
<br>
local council said "Don't worry, if this new dam
doesn't work out as
<br>
we intended, the worst-case scenario is we'll drain
the reservoir and
<br>
move back into the village" then I wouldn't be
reassured by that
<br>
either. Both show a lack of awareness that some
decisions aren't
<br>
reversible, and sometimes you can't simply go back to
what you did
<br>
before.
<br>
<br>
Thanks,
<br>
Andy
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